Small arms and edged weapons

[CK90]

All I can do in this thread is admire, from afar gents. My view on carrying a firearm is firmly neutral, however here in the U.K we have no given rights to carry firearms, as I'm sure most of you know.

It's cool for me to get a little insight into all of this!

 

[coolhandluke]

Agreed. As I said, some of our laws here are good. Need a license, background check and they have to be stored properly. That all makes sense to me cause let’s face it, there’s a lot of arseholes in the world, so there has to be a way to regulate it a bit. Probably easier to do up here as firearms are federally regulated. Same across the country. I believe your regs vary from state to state?

Correct, there are both federal and state firearms laws here in the U.S.. California, New York, and Illinois being the states with the most restrictions IIRC.

 

[Pa12]

All I can do in this thread is admire, from afar gents. My view on carrying a firearm is firmly neutral, however here in the U.K we have no given rights to carry firearms, as I'm sure most of you know.

It's cool for me to get a little insight into all of this!

We haven’t been able to carry a gun here since the 30’s. Not even an off duty cop or military personnel. Our handguns,which are restricted, require an authorization to transport (ATT) back and forth to the gun club, gun smith etc. The gun has to be in a locked container, with a trigger lock and out of view in the vehicle. The ammunition has to be in a separate locked box. This is actually how it has to be stored at home too. And you have to take the most direct route from home to the club without stops.

 

[Pa12]

Correct, there are both federal and state firearms laws here in the U.S.. California and New York being the states with the most restrictions.

Then definitely complicates things.

 

[Pa12]

All I can do in this thread is admire, from afar gents. My view on carrying a firearm is firmly neutral, however here in the U.K we have no given rights to carry firearms, as I'm sure most of you know.

It's cool for me to get a little insight into all of this!

I agree. There’s a lot of mystery and myths out there. I’m not at all being political, just letting folks know how it works here.

 

[Pa12]

All I can do in this thread is admire, from afar gents. My view on carrying a firearm is firmly neutral, however here in the U.K we have no given rights to carry firearms, as I'm sure most of you know.

It's cool for me to get a little insight into all of this!

Here’s a statistic that will probably surprise you. It surprised me. There are more adults involved in sport shooting in Canada than hockey and soccer combined. So we’ve got lots of shooters, we just keep it quiet

 

[coolhandluke]

Then definitely complicates things.

You just have to be a responsible gun owner and educate yourself on the laws of the areas that you may be traveling or moving to. It's not really an issue aside from NFA items, or if you practice concealed or open carry of a firearm. Many states have reciprocity laws, meaning that they will honor the carry laws of the state that you reside in. Here in OK, we have a constitutional carry law, which means you do not have to undergo certification or licensing to carry a firearm. There are specific laws and restrictions that you must observe when doing so though.

 

[Pa12]

You just have to be a responsible gun owner and educate yourself on the laws of the areas that you may be traveling or moving to. It's not really an issue aside from NFA items, or if you practice concealed or open carry of a firearm. Many states have reciprocity laws, meaning that they will honor the carry laws of the state that you reside in. Here in OK, we have a constitutional carry law, which means you do not have to undergo certification to carry a firearm. There are specific laws and restrictions that you must observe when doing so though.

I can remember guys who used to go south to hunt and they would have to pin or unpin their mags going from state to state. But that was many years ago.

 

[Pa12]

Rifles are a bit different here as they are not restricted or registered. But you still need your firearms license to own one. You can shoot them on your property (rural obviously) . They are supposed to be locked up but the ammunition doesn’t have to be separate and they don’t need a trigger lock when stored or transported. Now there is a little grey area where they say except for predator control. So all you would need is a cop who is a dick and you end up in court facing an unsafe storage charge and prohibition order. And it’s up to you to blow your wad on lawyers fees to beat it. The police changed their mandate a few years back and they basically just charge and arrest, and leave it up to the courts to decide. Money money money. Back in my wild youth it was quite different. When you went to court for any offence, from traffic offences to minor criminal offences, upon conviction you were given a choice of a fine or jail time. An awful lot of people took the jail time as it could be served on weekends. Well there’s no money in that, so they changed it.

 

[Micawber]

All I can do in this thread is admire, from afar gents. My view on carrying a firearm is firmly neutral, however here in the U.K we have no given rights to carry firearms, as I'm sure most of you know.

It's cool for me to get a little insight into all of this!

I'm not going to do a show and tell for a number of reasons. UK gun laws are involved, ownership is a privilege and not a right. Licences are issued by the firearms licensing departments of police departments at county or regional level.

For those interested further information can be found at

Firearms regulation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Firearms licensing

Licensing guidance, good practice on firearms law, and forms for applying for approvals under the law.

www.gov.uk

 

[Pa12]

I'm not going to do a show and tell for a number of reasons. UK gun laws are involved, ownership is a privilege and not a right. Licences are issued by the firearms licensing departments of police departments at county or regional level.

For those interested further information can be found at

Firearms regulation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Firearms licensing

Licensing guidance, good practice on firearms law, and forms for applying for approvals under the law.

www.gov.uk

Similar to here Steve. It’s not a right. It used to be handled regionally but some years back switched to one single authority for the entire country. A department of the RCMP, our federal police.

 

[Spitfireace]

Agreed. As I said, some of our laws here are good. Need a license, background check and they have to be stored properly. That all makes sense to me cause let’s face it, there’s a lot of arseholes in the world, so there has to be a way to regulate it a bit. Probably easier to do up here as firearms are federally regulated. Same across the country. I believe your regs vary from state to state?

Laws are only for the law abiding.

 

[Micawber]

There's a push for it to be handled on a more central and dedicated basis here which should do away with the regional variations in time taken for licence application and renewal. Various firearms were banned after incidents of nutters going on shooting sprees causing fatalities and injuries due to a number of reasons among which were failings in licensing and medical checks.

 

[Spitfireace]

Rifles are a bit different here as they are not restricted or registered. But you still need your firearms license to own one. You can shoot them on your property (rural obviously) . They are supposed to be locked up but the ammunition doesn’t have to be separate and they don’t need a trigger lock when stored or transported. Now there is a little grey area where they say except for predator control. So all you would need is a cop who is a dick and you end up in court facing an unsafe storage charge and prohibition order. And it’s up to you to blow your wad on lawyers fees to beat it. The police changed their mandate a few years back and they basically just charge and arrest, and leave it up to the courts to decide. Money money money. Back in my wild youth it was quite different. When you went to court for any offence, from traffic offences to minor criminal offences, upon conviction you were given a choice of a fine or jail time. An awful lot of people took the jail time as it could be served on weekends. Well there’s no money in that, so they changed it.

At one time you could carry your rifle on the back window of your truck. Ready for use.

 

[Spitfireace]

There's a push for it to be handled on a more central and dedicated basis here which should do away with the regional variations in time taken for licence application and renewal. Various firearms were banned after incidents of nutters going on shooting sprees causing fatalities and injuries due to a number of reasons among which were failings in licensing and medical checks.

Again it's blame the implement and not the intent of the person. Murder is already illegal.

 

[Micawber]

Again it's blame the implement and not the intent of the person. Murder is already illegal.

Yes indeed.

 

[Spitfireace]

It's lazy thinking to blame an inanimate object for what goes through a persons brain. For the state to treat people like children is what is called "the nanny state". The state knows what is best for us. Okay I'll get me hat on the way out.

 

[coolhandluke]

I'm not going to do a show and tell for a number of reasons. UK gun laws are involved, ownership is a privilege and not a right. Licences are issued by the firearms licensing departments of police departments at county or regional level.

For those interested further information can be found at

Firearms regulation in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Firearms licensing

Licensing guidance, good practice on firearms law, and forms for applying for approvals under the law.

www.gov.uk

Completely understandable Steve. I thought this might be a fun way to share some curios and relics from our collections. However, if this thread poses potential risk to any of our members, I will be the first person on board to recommend it being deleted. Being from the states, I sometime forget that even somewhat antiquated weapons are restricted in the UK, Canada, etc.

 

[Pa12]

There's a push for it to be handled on a more central and dedicated basis here which should do away with the regional variations in time taken for licence application and renewal. Various firearms were banned after incidents of nutters going on shooting sprees causing fatalities and injuries due to a number of reasons among which were failings in licensing and medical checks.

We’ve had bans in the past from similar incidents. The problem here now is this latest ban is on guns that have never been used in a crime here. 90 percent of our gun crimes involve smuggled illegal handguns. And almost 100 percent of the gun crimes are criminals shooting criminals. But the current government took the cowards way out to artificially appease the masses by banning and confiscating legally owned guns from the group who are statistically the most law abiding citizens in the country. And gun crimes are up almost 200 percent. Anyways, I won’t rant. If we can get the conservatives in at the upcoming election, they’ve promised to reverse the nonsense.

 

[Pa12]

Completely understandable Steve. I thought this might be a fun way to share some curios and relics from our collections. However, if this thread poses potential risk to any of our members, I will be the first person on board to recommend it being deleted. Being from the states, I sometime forget that even somewhat antiquated weapons are restricted in the UK, Canada, etc.

I won’t bother posting pictures of anything “modern “. Kind of pointless. Have a couple smith and Wesson m&p’s, s&w 66 357 and my go to h&k p30L but pictures are readily available on the internet. I don’t see a problem comparing gun laws between countries. It’s informative. As long as we don’t argue about it.