Rust knits B10's - argument over?

[Teddy]

@Smithy You pointed out the biggest flaw in my thinking! Cannot rely on secondary source and must dig deeper to primary sources. That being said, still a fan of the rust knits. Hopefully BR can either prove it or just say it's a fantasy, like the khaki deck hook jacket.

 

[Tommy]

Maybe a question at one of the roadshows, along the lines of “I’m interested in the detail differences between the different B-10 contracts, such as whether or not epaulets, different collar shapes and colours and different shades of shell and knit colour. Do you have any original jackets or interesting photo’s I could look at please?”....

I wonder if they have a permanent location for their original collection? Or a display at the Buzz / Toyo HQ?

For some reason I can imagine the look on the sales reps face when asked to look at the source materials for some of their more contentious jackets...

 

[dmar836]

A rep has spoken on another forum and it was apparently much less professional than that.

 

[dmar836]

However, the argument that all original B-10s we have seen are not rust-knitted does not guarantee that no original rust-knit B-10s ever existed (though we really think this is the case).

All the original B-10s we have seen are not pink- knitted either so is that also no guarantee that no original pink-knit B-10s ever existed?

Dave

 

[Skyhawk]

They were issued to the desert crews who had the pink Camo:

-Jay

 

[Thomas Koehle]

I was following this discussion already for quite some time and as per my personal impression it‘s finally gone into a direction where the question is whether BR will ever show some evidence.

I think there are plenty of specialists here in the forum - some of you guys even produce jackets on their own - and none so far is/was able to show any evidence nor ever seen a red knitted B10 „in the flesh“.

So why to expect that BR actually is able to proof the existence of such jackets? And on the other hand side will they ever admit they did wrong in producing repops with red knittings?

I have to deal with Japanese almost daily and one of the toughest things for the ones I know is to do so and take responsibility in case of a failure/mistake. So far their way to deal with shortcomings was always to hide them. Well i‘m Part of building up a whole factory here in Mex with Japanese partners.

Anyway I think BR does NOT have a „magician“ with a cristal bowl and found evidence if even here on the forum noone was able to find any proof. Maybe a colour Photo which we already also had on the forum with a discoloration or so.

Bottom line for me: finally even if BR would have any evidence in their possession they still would not discuss such a point with a single collector.

Just my 2 cents ...

 

[Carl]

Its been an interesting read this thread .
Could i be as so bold to put my "oar" in on this ?
How many "colorised" B/W photos do you see where the colours of clothing are completely wrong ?, maybe its this kind of photo that the "idea" of "berry knits" came from ?.
Just a thought and if im totally wrong just slap me and tell me to sit down and shut up

 

[Carl]

Also , IF Superior Togs "did" produce a B10 with cherry knits , why didnt they use the same colour on the ankle knits of the A11 trouser that they produced under the same contract ?

 

[Pilot]

Met an ex BR Manager a few days ago...
“We ordered tons of berry knits” because we thought we can work out a contract with Aero reproducing one of their A-2’s with berry knits... Ken may remember the timing and conditions...
Did go sour... were not allowed to produce the Aero under Aero label...with berry knits...
So we tried alternatives... A-2 ( BR label) B-10, A-10 gloves etc...all using up our berry stock...but it was never due to an original ( no B-10 original) we tried to reproduce...” just because of the red berry stock we had...working it up...
Sorry about this.

 

[B-Man2]

I always wondered about those BR A-10 berry knit gloves being authentic repros.
Pilot:
Who was the fellow you spoke with from BR?

 

[Pilot]

I always wondered about those BR A-10 berry knit gloves being authentic repros.
Pilot:
Who was the fellow you spoke with from BR?

His name is Alan... please forgive me and him if he wants to keep it as Alan...
Hope for your understanding...

 

[Pilot]

See all the berry knitted BR items... way below the regular priced items... wonder why???

 

[stanier]

Met an ex BR Manager a few days ago...
“We ordered tons of berry knits” because we thought we can work out a contract with Aero reproducing one of their A-2’s with berry knits... Ken may remember the timing and conditions...
Did go sour... were not allowed to produce the Aero under Aero label...with berry knits...
So we tried alternatives... A-2 ( BR label) B-10, A-10 gloves etc...all using up our berry stock...but it was never due to an original ( no B-10 original) we tried to reproduce...” just because of the red berry stock we had...working it up...
Sorry about this.

Maybe they used up red stock on an own label A-2 and the B-10, but the A-10 glove has a different weave I think so that one adds confusion and mystery again!

And just how many red knits did they order on the “off chance”... of an Aero contract?! The Superior Togs B-10 and the red knit BR A-2 have been running for some years now!

 

[Pilot]

Sure, may have been a part of a red berry program... blew up in BR marketing’s face...apparently, however originally it was all meant for an Aero contract which ditched..
On Rakuten.japan still some original BR’s A-2, B-10 jackets arround with red berry knits all Aero labels...34”-36” sizes... useless for Europe and USA...
All a few years back already.

 

[Cocker]

That makes a lot of sense, Pilot!

 

[Smithy]

Somebody should tell our old mate Charles!

 

[Monsoon]

And just how many red knits did they order on the “off chance”... of an Aero contract?! The Superior Togs B-10 and the red knit BR A-2 have been running for some years now!

Maybe that was the initial solution, then they sold well and decided to just keep it up?

 

[A2 B3au]

Normally green knits in my opinion

 

[Teddy]

I have to deal with Japanese almost daily and one of the toughest things for the ones I know is to do so and take responsibility in case of a failure/mistake. So far their way to deal with shortcomings was always to hide them. Well i‘m Part of building up a whole factory here in Mex with Japanese partners.

Thomas, spot on about the Japanese mentality. There's so much tension between China and Japan specifically because one party still has trouble apologizing for some bad deeds done during WWII...

 

[Teddy]

@Pilot Thanks for the information! Makes sense if this is the reason they choose red knits for B-10. I still adore mine!