Gary's famous

[Anonymous]

http://www.selectism.com/2012/04/12/eas ... r-autumnwi

see the slide show

 

[Peter Graham]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's famous but what does that mean these days anyway ? Some very nice photos of ELC jackets that will do them no harm.

 

[nogbat]

i wonder what hes famous for ???? :shock:

 

[ButteMT61]

i wonder what hes famous for ???? :shock:

Mustangs?

 

[Persimmon]

i wonder what hes famous for ???? :shock:

Mustangs?

Red Tails ?

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Gary is well known for quality reproduction WW2 jackets, plain and simple. Or is this post another attempt to post him up for target practice?

 

[John Lever]

If you Google Eastman Irvin or B-3 nearly all the first few images are of me or my jackets that been for sale reviewed on TFL. Some how search engines can get in to the site there. We have more privacy here I am glad to say.

 

[a2jacketpatches]

If you Google Eastman Irvin or B-3 nearly all the first few images are of me or my jackets that been for sale reviewed on TFL. Some how search engines can get in to the site there. We have more privacy here I am glad to say.

Good for Gary, if potential Eastman customers were directed here, they'd find a whole lot of bullies, bullony, or just plain bullsh*t, So lets see if this thread goes the usual path.

 

[ButteMT61]

If you Google Eastman Irvin or B-3 nearly all the first few images are of me or my jackets that been for sale reviewed on TFL. Some how search engines can get in to the site there. We have more privacy here I am glad to say.

Good for Gary, if potential Eastman customers were directed here, they'd find a whole lot of bullies, bullony, or just plain bullsh*t, So lets see if this thread goes the usual path.

But don't you have business ties with him? Are your opinions based on facts or business?
I think if there have been lies posted, then those that know have rebutted them. Otherwise, info is good for the customer. It may not be of your liking, but I prefer to know who I'm dealing with.
By all means, if someone tells an untruth about ANY maker, set the record straight. I don't believe anyone wants to have lies and BS posted here. It benefits nobody.

 

[Anonymous]

Gary's very smart and does his job very well.
I must congratulate him for being a pioneer. His jackets are excellent despite the little flaws.
If it wasn't for Gary we would be wearing Avirex (the luckiest among us would, the others would wear Cockpit or USWings).
I think Gary is one of the founding fathers of repro making and he should be respected for that. He went the extra mile.
He is still number one in providing Crown and Kwik zippers. Many repro makers are still behind him e.g. Aero is a brand that makes good solid and tough jackets, but I would not say accurate repro making is their business.

Gary is still #1 (numero uno) in Europe, I don't think anyone can doubt that. Even is someone else appears that can make a more accurate/better A-2 than Gary, Gary has so large range of products that will still be no 1.

 

[JDAM]

That's nice photography.

 

[a2jacketpatches]

If you Google Eastman Irvin or B-3 nearly all the first few images are of me or my jackets that been for sale reviewed on TFL. Some how search engines can get in to the site there. We have more privacy here I am glad to say.

Good for Gary, if potential Eastman customers were directed here, they'd find a whole lot of bullies, bullony, or just plain bullsh*t, So lets see if this thread goes the usual path.

But don't you have business ties with him? Are your opinions based on facts or business?
I think if there have been lies posted, then those that know have rebutted them. Otherwise, info is good for the customer. It may not be of your liking, but I prefer to know who I'm dealing with.
By all means, if someone tells an untruth about ANY maker, set the record straight. I don't believe anyone wants to have lies and BS posted here. It benefits nobody.

Yes, My opinions are based on facts. Yes, I do have business ties with him, and yes of course the flawless details of that relationship most certainly do affect my opinion of him. But honestly most of all, PLATON couldn't have said it better in his second post here. It was the Eastman catalog that got me going on patches long before many enthusiasts even knew what an A-2 Jacket was. I could have told you the difference between an F4U1 and an F4U1D, or point out the progressive details of each MK Spitfire when I was six years old. But when I got the idea to start my operation, Eastman Leather Clothing was about the only info I could find concerning flight jackets and squadron patches. This is back when Ebay was all text and Hell Bent for Leather was the only book. No forums and countless photos like today that make everyone an expert with an opinion.

So any other opinions based on facts, real facts, by all means let it fly. But opinions that are just opinions, especially common here on this forum, are like the old saying.

Like bungholes, everybody has one.

BTW, since the edit feature is still available on this last post, let it be known that I have enough PM's backing my thoughts here to know I'm supported.

.

 

[ButteMT61]

There's lots of PM's flying, that's for sure.
For those of us who don't know Gary, we rely upon info posted here and on other forums. Some of you get all defensive when someone dares challenge ELC. Fine, but those who don't know don't know who is telling the truth, do we? Some smart, good, respectable folks disagree with you. OK, now what? I read opinions from many. I get PM's from many. Doesn't resolve anything for me (and likely others).
I have nothing against either the man or the company, but I've read some interesting threads here, and dislike people trying to shut them down as opposed to just discussing the subject.
People like to chant how maker "X" isn't accurate. Everyone just accepts this as gospel. Bunk. If someone is going to say it, say why. That Aero (or anyone else) doesn't make an accurate jacket gets said over and over. Tell us why.
Tell us why ELC jackets are better. I'll listen. I want to spend my money on good items and good companies.
There's people that use shills to post as clients. Aero USA went under, leaving many holding the bag. (Aero has to my knowledge bent over backwards to fix this). I am a consumer. I want to know who gets my money, that's all.

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Start at the beginning of this thread and maybe you'll see why I asked if this is just more target practice, or maybe there was another valid point that I missed or something. If so please let me know and I'll retract anything that tweaked your nipple.

 

[ButteMT61]

Start at the beginning of this thread and maybe you'll see why I asked if this is just more target practice, or maybe there was another valid point that I missed or something. If so please let me know and I'll retract anything that tweaked your nipple.

My nipples are just fine, although yours seem twisted. Zzzz.
I have no bias one way or the other. You, OTOH, do.

 

[GoodTimesGone]

Bungholes? Nipples? Oh my..... What kind of a forum is this? :shock:

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Start at the beginning of this thread and maybe you'll see why I asked if this is just more target practice, or maybe there was another valid point that I missed or something. If so please let me know and I'll retract anything that tweaked your nipple.

My nipples are just fine, although yours seem twisted. Zzzz.
I have no bias one way or the other. You, OTOH, do.

"Some of you get all defensive when someone dares challenge ELC. Fine"
I assume that "Some of you" means me, and this is my first time EVER stepping up in defense of Gary, IF that's how you took my post. I feel the same way about all senseless bashing on this forum regardless of who it is.

Nothing about discrepancy in the accuracy of a jacket or anything else you feel so strongly about. So again, was there a point here in this thread that I missed? Please point out the "challenge" you speak of.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if three pages from now someone was talking about his Mamma :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Bungholes? Nipples? Oh my..... What kind of a forum is this? :shock:

Oh that's just me trying to be a little funny about things. Here, there's bashing threads about women and how they look, nudity, and some just about pick on anything and everything when bored. I met an outstanding female pin up girl artist once at an airshow, I told her about this forum and suggested she join. She had a few choice words stronger than nipples and bunghole before I apologized.

However, there is a lot of good stuff here and I thank those who make that possible.

 

[CBI]

ELC is quality stuff for sure. For shearling - Irvins, B-3's, I would not hesitate - THE BEST!!!!!. Many other fine products. The newer game raising A-2's look pretty cool as well. So glad there are guys out there making and selling this stuff, keeping it alive. Gotta thank Gary for that. No one/no business is perfect of course and so as long as we don't hold anyone to THAT impossible standard - the more the better.

 

[Marv]

Gary's very smart and does his job very well.
I must congratulate him for being a pioneer. His jackets are excellent despite the little flaws.
If it wasn't for Gary we would be wearing Avirex (the luckiest among us would, the others would wear Cockpit or USWings).
I think Gary is one of the founding fathers of repro making and he should be respected for that. He went the extra mile.
He is still number one in providing Crown and Kwik zippers. Many repro makers are still behind him e.g. Aero is a brand that makes good solid and tough jackets, but I would not say accurate repro making is their business.

Gary is still #1 (numero uno) in Europe, I don't think anyone can doubt that. Even is someone else appears that can make a more accurate/better A-2 than Gary, Gary has so large range of products that will still be no 1.

+1 I agree