FIVESTAR LEATHER A2 JACKET

[usafchappyt]

Hi folks, still fretting about what leather to choose, Shawn, much as others have reported is being super patient. Dubow goat is too dark for my taste, conic too light. The russet horse is more what I've been looking for.

I'm curious, how do these leathers wear? Is it like an opaque top layer rubbing off to show a light inner layer or more like a full-struck aniline? Do they look better with age or worse? How does steer compare Has anyone seen the pullup horse in person?

 

[johnwayne]

Maybe Im wrong but Dubow were all horse, cow/steer - none referenced in ELC’s manual of them using goat, albeit I realise not every contract is specifically covered.

 

[usafchappyt]

Fivestar copied an original Dubow in goat to make this pattern.

 

[mulceber]

Maybe Im wrong but Dubow were all horse, cow/steer - none referenced in ELC’s manual of them using goat, albeit I realise not every contract is specifically covered.

The 27798 was made in both HH and goat. Gary just hadn’t seen any goat examples when he wrote the book.

edit: I was actually incorrect about Gary not having seen one - I just double-checked the entry on the Dubow 27798, and in the "notes of interest" section, he says "The majority of the jackets in this contract are of a hide type as per the subject jacket opposite (Horsehide), however, Goatskin versions were also produced."

Here’s a picture of a goat original:

 

[flyincowboy]

Got a Roughwear 27752 in mid brown steerhide and i am happy with the leather and the jacket. i am quite sure this jacket will age nicely.Despite the funny sizing I am 46 and it's a 50 this jacket fit me well. the leather is supple and the drappe is nice. The only experience with the 5 star HH are the reinforcement panels which are very nice they start to develop a very nice patina. which i do love.

 

[B-Man2]

Got a Roughwear 27752 in mid brown steerhide and i am happy with the leather and the jacket. i am quite sure this jacket will age nicely.Despite the funny sizing I am 46 and it's a 50 this jacket fit me well. the leather is supple and the drappe is nice. The only experience with the 5 star HH are the reinforcement panels which are very nice they start to develop a very nice patina. which i do love.
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Can we see close ups of the jacket..,, And the pooch

 

[flyincowboy]

 

[WingAndaPrayer]

Does anyone have any of the new horse hide from FiveStar? I’m looking to get a new A2 but I’m concerned about the quality of it after seeing several complaints about the leather flaking off in spots. But, that was also a few months ago. I’m just concerned about getting a jacket and have it flake off

 

[ausreenactor]

Have a FibeStar Dubow in a 44 popped into the cart. In talks with an M1903 seller here in Australia at the same time. The decision paralysis is excruciating... Cant have too many .30-06 rifles!

 

[ausreenactor]

Does anyone have any of the new horse hide from FiveStar? I’m looking to get a new A2 but I’m concerned about the quality of it after seeing several complaints about the leather flaking off in spots. But, that was also a few months ago. I’m just concerned about getting a jacket and have it flake off

Possibly an early batch of hide. Have you had a look at the FB page? Message a recent buyer. See what they say perhaps.

 

[usafchappyt]

With respect to all those who love and have advized the special Dubow goat, the russet horsehide is really what I'm looking for so I'm going in that direction.

Here are my measurements compared to the measurements for the off-the-rack M/42 size from the Dubow horsehide listing:

I halved the shoulder/shoulder measurement and added to the sleeve measurement to get a shirt-style sleeve measurement (ie, I'm 34" sleeve). They seem to compare but the Dubow is longer by an inch. Normally I do find sleeves to be too short in outerwear, so I'd hesitate to get shorter sleeves unless knowledgeably advized otherwise.

For those who know fivestar and/or Dubow sizing, does the off the rack M/42 sound realistic?

 

[Grant]

The 27798 was made in both HH and goat. Gary just hadn’t seen any goat examples when he wrote the book.

edit: I was actually incorrect about Gary not having seen one - I just double-checked the entry on the Dubow 27798, and in the "notes of interest" section, he says "The majority of the jackets in this contract are of a hide type as per the subject jacket opposite (Horsehide), however, Goatskin versions were also produced."

Here’s a picture of a goat original:
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Here's another goat 27798, this one all original.

 

[Lorenzo_l]

Here's another goat 27798, this one all original.View attachment 74803

Jeez, what a beauty. Can you please tell us something about its provenance, Grant? It looks immaculate!

 

[Flightengineer]

Grant, could you please post the measurements of this original, very interesting to compare with repro size charts

 

[Thomas.m]

Here's another goat 27798, this one all original.View attachment 74803

Here's another goat 27798, this one all original.View attachment 74803

What a beautiful goatskin Dubow! Goatskin is always my favorite hide for A-2 flight jacket!

 

[Grant]

Jeez, what a beauty. Can you please tell us something about its provenance, Grant? It looks immaculate!

Unfortunately, I've never took the time to research Major Schneider's history, but it's clear he rarely, if ever wore his Dubow. With his A-2, I also picked up his officers Burberry raincoat, so the dude had good taste!

 

[Grant]

Grant, could you please post the measurements of this original, very interesting to compare with repro size charts

Sure, will do after work today!

 

[B-Man2]

Grant
This 27798 is surely is one of the finest original A2 jackets in any collection .
It’s a gem ….. well done !

 

[ausreenactor]

With respect to all those who love and have advized the special Dubow goat, the russet horsehide is really what I'm looking for so I'm going in that direction.

Here are my measurements compared to the measurements for the off-the-rack M/42 size from the Dubow horsehide listing:

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I halved the shoulder/shoulder measurement and added to the sleeve measurement to get a shirt-style sleeve measurement (ie, I'm 34" sleeve). They seem to compare but the Dubow is longer by an inch. Normally I do find sleeves to be too short in outerwear, so I'd hesitate to get shorter sleeves unless knowledgeably advized otherwise.

For those who know fivestar and/or Dubow sizing, does the off the rack M/42 sound realistic?

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God I LOVE spreadsheets!

 

[Grant]

Grant, could you please post the measurements of this original, very interesting to compare with repro size charts

So sorry in the delay in getting these measurements. Here's what the sz 42 goat Dubow measures:

Arm pit to arm pit - 22"
Sleeve length from shoulder seam to end of knit cuff: 25"
Shoulder width: 17 1/2"
Back length from base of collar seam to bottom of knit: 25 1/8"