Pa12
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I actually know a jurgison family here in Canada. He’s an airline pilot and competition aerobatic pilot. His dad was a fighter pilot during the war. You should see his man cave. Amazing.
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Pilot
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Obj: Oberjäger in 1939 ( Feldwebel on the photo ) hence he must have been in the first NCO rank ( Oberjäger) either with the Gebirgsjäger ( mountain troops) or a Panzerjäger. ( Tank-killer infantry).
I believe the second since no Edelweiss on his arms…
B-Man2
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Ties
I remember you telling me about this story. It’s amazing that he lived with that kind of a wound !
Smithy
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I had no real understanding of the immense toll Stalingrad had on people and families until I met a couple who became great friends of ours. Both are originally from East Berlin but had moved to NZ. Fabian had lost 3 family members from his grandfather's generation (including both of his grandfathers) and Eike had lost 3 from that generation at Stalingrad.
Pa12
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I’ll bet those flight suits are incredibly warm.Pinched these from the IWM but they'll never catch me
45 Sqn, RFC at Istrana, Italy. Second one is of Lieutenant Henry Moody and Second Lieutenant Raymond Brownell MC MM and is a great image of first pattern Sidcots (Pattern 9686 from the War Office)...
Smithy
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Yup incredibly effective and the reason why eventually Air Ministry Order 235 in May 1918 stipulated that aircrews on foreign operational service be equipped with them and not leather outer clothing.
Pa12
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Make a great outfit for snow blowing
Smithy
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Make a great outfit for snow blowing
There's crowds that make repros of the later pattern Sidcots as seen in WWII, so there's always that option when the Canadian winter blows hard.
Like here in Arctic Norway I imagine you have one of those modern versions, an insulated onesie-worksuit thingies.
Sadly to my knowledge no-one makes a repro of the WWI first pattern Sidcot which I have read and been told firsthand was warmer and better quality.
Pa12
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Oh yes. Nothing beats the insulated onsie when it gets really cold .
Enigma1938
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Nice M35, originally painted in smooth apple green the helmet was "feldmäßig" painted over with field grey and fine sand or something similar. This is typical for helmets early in the war, later the M35 were officially sent in to the manufacturers to professionally paint them over. The following M40 and M42 models were painted in field gray right from the start.
ties70
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Well, it had basically one day of combat service...in hindsight it's quite remarkable that my grandfathers comrades kept the helmet while he was on his way to the hospital, and later presented it to my grandmother.
She, by the way, wasn't aware at that time that he was wounded...when she saw these soldiers with a shot-through helmet and some flowers, she fainted...
Helmet and a service pistol were kept at my grandparents home until the British troops approached their hometown of Ratzeburg. The helmet was scraped clean of the swastika, the gun ended in the near by Ratzeburg Lake.
Shanghai-Mayne
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Shanghai-Mayne
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July 20, 1941 , an unknown soldier, engraved those words on the wall, I am going to die, I won’t surrender, farewell mother Russia.
ties70
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Tim,
we always focus on the soldiers and their experiences. But the toll a war takes on the family members, even later generations, is gigantic. My grandfather returned in 1950, to a wife which didn't expected him to return at all, and two daughters with no or maybe only small memories of their father.
Despite being an NCO (sergeant major / orderly officer) in the war, he left all decision-making to my grandmother, I guess, for the rest of his life, he was happy not to be in charge.
On my wife's side, the situation is similar: Her father and his brother were both results from short trips back home. Carola's grandfather was killed in the East, her father and her uncle never knew their father.
In the end, this has led to families with incredibly strong women, who had no husbands to rely on during the war and were used to take things into their own hands.
What a shock it must have been, when they were told "Woman, get back into the kitchen!"
But as this is the "Cool Photo Thread", I will end with one.
I wonder if these were natural sheepskin fabric coats.
Judging by the enormous "clown collars", they must be an ELC RW prototype
Pilot
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Thanks for sharing this amazing story.
He received the Verwundetenabzeichen in Silber
( wounded badge in silver ) for this.
He wears it on his tunic seen in the photo.
Amazing!
Pilot
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Thanks for sharing.Tim,
we always focus on the soldiers and their experiences. But the toll a war takes on the family members, even later generations, is gigantic. My grandfather returned in 1950, to a wife which didn't expected him to return at all, and two daughters with no or maybe only small memories of their father.
Despite being an NCO (sergeant major / orderly officer) in the war, he left all decision-making to my grandmother, I guess, for the rest of his life, he was happy not to be in charge.
On my wife's side, the situation is similar: Her father and his brother were both results from short trips back home. Carola's grandfather was killed in the East, her father and her uncle never knew their father.
In the end, this has led to families with incredibly strong women, who had no husbands to rely on during the war and were used to take things into their own hands.
What a shock it must have been, when they were told "Woman, get back into the kitchen!"
But as this is the "Cool Photo Thread", I will end with one.
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I wonder if these were natural sheepskin fabric coats.
Judging by the enormous "clown collars", they must be an ELC RW prototype
Fully agree and understand your stories.
Same here, all of my grand’s and others in my family ended up in droplets or crushed somewhere inbetween concrete and iron. Never knew nor
met them.
The uncle who survived was give two choices “Échafaud! “ ou Légion Etrangère! = death penalty or Foreign Legion…
He survived until mid 70s. I have all his uniforms, gear, belongings and awards, photos etc… all.
Back to the great OP.
Again thanks for all great contributions.
ties70
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"At the launching of the naval training ship Horst Wessel on June 13, 1936, everyone raised their right arm in the “Hitler salute” at the climax of the big event when the ship was launched and the national anthem was played - except for one man. It is not clear who this man is. Irene Eckler from Hamburg thought she recognized her father August Landmesser, who was not allowed to marry his Jewish fiancée Irma Eckler because of the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935. Their daughters Ingrid and Irene were born out of wedlock. August Landmesser was denounced in 1938, sentenced to two years in prison for “racial defilement” and then sent to the front as a soldier, where he was considered missing since 1944. Irma Eckler was sent to the Ravensbrück women's concentration camp in 1938 and murdered in 1942.
But Wolfgang Wegert, also from Hamburg, also believes that he can identify his father Gustav Wegert in the man with the folded arms, who demonstrably worked as a locksmith at Blohm+Voss and, as a devout Christian, refused to give the “Hitler salute” out of religious conviction that “you should obey God rather than man”.
