Silver Surfer
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man, thants Purdy. very, very tempting. what's the measurements for your size 42, grant?
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EASTMAN DUBOW
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Smithy
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There is a bit of a difference though Couchy.
The GW is made to the individual customer's measurements with customisation and choices of hide, hardware and thread. An Eastman is essentially off the rack. Not that there's anything wrong with that but equating off the rack with made to measure is a bit silly.
bseal
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Dude’s often stating that he needs to beat the shit out of defenseless, inanimate objects; talk about beating a dead horse [hide]. See what I did there? Love you Grant.
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ausreenactor
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Off the rack is how they came... ELC are 'originaller'.
Chandler
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Depends, I've had, and have, ELC jackets labeled as the same size, but fit completely different!
That said, I have one GW sized as a 46 that fits smaller than my ELC 44.
Another ELC in my possession is also a custom-sized jacket, made-to-order, so ELC is known to work that way -- at least one point in time.
Maybe they're both as original as 1941.
mulceber
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Depends, I've had, and have, ELC jackets labeled as the same size, but fit completely different!
That said, I have one GW sized as a 46 that fits smaller than my ELC 44.
Another ELC in my possession is also a custom-sized jacket, made-to-order, so ELC is known to work that way -- at least one point in time.
Maybe they're both as original as 1941.
Are you sure that's not due to shrinkage over time? Victoria tannery stretches their horsehide as part of the tanning process in order to get the most bang for their buck, so jackets made using leather from that tannery shrink with use. Either way, I think Tim's point is right - comparing an off-the-rack jacket to a custom-made jacket is apples and oranges.
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saucerfiend
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saucerfiend
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Grant, "for the love of Mike", please get out there and take a few pics!
Grant
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Ok, here are some quick photos trying not to freeze my ass off. The third pic is how it was worn most of the day! Haha!
This Dubow fits me larger than many of my other Eastman's so is very comfortable. The color of the hides is elusive as in some light it's much warmer and lighter, and in others is darker in color. I'm so grateful I have John's old B-3 to keep me warm. p.s. sorry about the crazy hat head hair!
This Dubow fits me larger than many of my other Eastman's so is very comfortable. The color of the hides is elusive as in some light it's much warmer and lighter, and in others is darker in color. I'm so grateful I have John's old B-3 to keep me warm. p.s. sorry about the crazy hat head hair!
Chandler
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All three jackets fit me the same as when I first acquired them; no stretching or shrinking of any significance.
FWIW -- the GW is an early production piece from John and made from locally sourced steerhide. The ELC 44 Star is probably steerhide as well, but I can't tell you the leather source -- and the same with the HH 44 RW 27752 I owned.
I think it's all a question of the cut & construction of my 3 pieces that makes the differences between them -- whether intentional to the copied jacket manufacturer or not is hard to determine.
Probably so in the past, but who knows? Maybe ELC is evolving some?
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ausreenactor
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Well WWII flight gear sure as hell wasn't 'bespoke'.
Let's just marvel at an amazing jacket.
ausreenactor
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Is? Have been for a while. You can see them on FB on the ELC pages and USAAF pages. My Monarch, via Vic, is my favourite wearer.
ausreenactor
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The painted ELC Grant posted got the same response. The hides ELC are using now ARE amazing.
mulceber
Moderator
Buying a GW is the equivalent of getting lucky with the size of the jacket you were issued. Right person for the right jacket. Nothing wrong (or inauthentic) about wanting that experience. You're paying for it after all. I stand by my comments.
saucerfiend
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Grant, that looks like a great fit to me. Thanks for freezing you butt off! Enjoy it!
bseal
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Beat the shit out of it.
