dubow mfg

[johnwayne]

Interesting how the one shown on eBay is not actually for sale, rather an ad to show what you 'should' get! To echo my earlier comment, it does look the business I must admit so very interested to see the reviews in due course.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

In the thread about the Polo M-421 you start talking about Aero Leather's sizing system

Firstly I have to say I loved Butte's post........"OTOH, it sure is fun watching the kids push each other off of the swings."

My God, Smithy, you ARE scraping the barrel now
If you'd read the M421 thread properly you'd see there was some confusion about ordering the right size from USA
I've got one on order, so have several other members.
The size chart was my way of helping members avoid costly returns on an item that was virtually sold out.

No idea how this all snowballed, when I first posted here you were one of the friendlier members, for some reason you took umbrage to me taking ELC's side in the price increase thread, that seems to have set you off on the increse of price of the Aero A-2 v. Asian made A-2s and it was all downhill from there on when I defended the increase.

I've got knowlegde built up since starting in this trade at Bally in 1961, I'm happy to share this but I'd also be quite happy to bugger off elsewhere if I'm offending you.

May I suggest you start a Member's poll on VLJ "Should he stay or should he go?" I'll happily abide by the verdict. I've no problem with democracy, I don't want to hang around anywhere I'm not welcome

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Just noticed, I must have some approval here based on the respective Likes to Posts ratio
Mine is 87%,
Smithy's is 75%,
Roughwear's (suprisingly) is only 10%

.......and as Dubow/Greece claim to be using (Aero's) Vicenza (endorsed by Smithy) surely I'm entitled to draw attention the lack of similarities of the Vizenza sourced leather used by the two companies? No?

 

[Smithy]

Firstly I have to say I loved Butte's post........"OTOH, it sure is fun watching the kids push each other off of the swings."

My God, Smithy, you ARE scraping the barrel now
If you'd read the M421 thread properly you'd see there was some confusion about ordering the right size from USA
I've got one on order, so have several other members.
The size chart was my way of helping members avoid costly returns on an item that was virtually sold out.

No idea how this all snowballed, when I first posted here you were one of the friendlier members, for some reason you took umbrage to me taking ELC's side in the price increase thread, that seems to have set you off on the increse of price of the Aero A-2 v. Asian made A-2s and it was all downhill from there on when I defended the increase.

I've got knowlegde built up since starting in this trade at Bally in 1961, I'm happy to share this but I'd also be quite happy to bugger off elsewhere if I'm offending you.

May I suggest you start a Member's poll on VLJ "Should he stay or should he go?" I'll happily abide by the verdict. I've no problem with democracy, I don't want to hang around anywhere I'm not welcome

The old throw all the toys out of the cot routine and say you'll go and play somewhere else. Don't be so puerile.

You've obviously got an enormous ego so this might come as an enormous surprise to you but this isn't just about you. It's about all vendors full stop. I don't want ANY vendor to be able to come in and try and trash another maker or their goods, nor to talk about themselves in threads about other makers, nor to promote themselves in threads about other makers. The reason why this has has come up in relation to you is because you've done everyone of those things in the last month or so alone. We don't see Gary from ELC, Andy from BK, Morten from AVI, John from GW pissing in other makers' threads, just Ken from Aero.

Having vendor rules to stop this sort of behaviour is NORMAL on virtually every other discussion board. So why should you be any different?

By all means share your knowledge but don't start stuffing your opinions about other makers and their wares nor use their threads to promote yourself and your brand.

Your childish post above once again proves why rules for vendors are desperately needed here.

 

[Roughwear]

Well said Tim. There needs to be rules so that vendors do not criticise other makers' products. Likes from other members are irrelevant to this discussion and beside they have only been a recent feature here so members who have posted regularly for years will invariably have a smaller proportion of likes compared with their overall posts than those who have posted far less or joined more recently.

 

[B-Man2]

I am honestly not trying to get in the middle of anything here, and I’m not taking anyone’s side on any of this, but I really hate to see you guys going at each other like this. You are both very knowledgeable people and contribute and share a phenomenal amount of information to this group. It would be a major loss to all of us here if one of you decided to leave. As someone who admires both of you guys, please consider just taking a breather before this escalates any further . Please.

 

[Pilot]

Coming back to the Greek made super jackets...
Just lowered my selling to 250 Euro shipped within Euro using countries...wonder why no buyers for such a great prized Greek made jacket...only 4 weeks old...even DD did better with his rigger taped jacket hiding a misplaced hole...
Please dont ask me ...about any feedback about anything coming from Greece if its not mussaka, olives or Rezina...
With jackets from there, I am done...see my posts...
Thx a lot...

 

[jeremiah]

Pilot,
I would jump on that in a heartbeat if it were my size. It’s a nice jacket.

Have you ever had their victory horsehide?

 

[Pilot]

Pilot,
I would jump on that in a heartbeat if it were my size. It’s a nice jacket.

Have you ever had their victory horsehide?

Thx, NO.. have never had any other jacket from them and surely will never have another one...
My Greek prime maker jacket is still unwanted for 250 Euro..after 5 weeks!!! .( what a joke!!!).. Here another short sighted seller won approx 1050 Euro but lost a share approx. 8000,— Euro ( my yearly jacket purchases) per year...just from me...others reading this may consider...or not...Jackets from those overthere...thx I am done...see here and my sales post.
Just see my other stranding with DD...all objective and facts only..
Buy low, get low...once again...documented...here...

 

[Pilot]

Just noticed, I must have some approval here based on the respective Likes to Posts ratio
Mine is 87%,
Smithy's is 75%,
Roughwear's (suprisingly) is only 10%

.......and as Dubow/Greece claim to be using (Aero's) Vicenza (endorsed by Smithy) surely I'm entitled to draw attention the lack of similarities of the Vizenza sourced leather used by the two companies? No?

In EU certificates of provenance and origin can be enforced by tribunals...
So easy to verifythe HH origin...

 

[Juanito]

Did you guys just order your regular size, or did you discuss sizes with Platon?

Just ordered a regular size which my measurements all fit within the parameters of a 44.

 

[zoomer]

Rule 1 of the internet is the right of exit. You can always ball and glove it. (Has Platon considered repopping Dubow baseball gear?)

That said, I would hate to lose someone's POV based on what someone else thinks of that person's perceived allegiances for/against someone else entirely.

That is exactly the kind of 1996 vintage, The Internets Is A Rumor Machine Full Of Cyber Shills sentiment that burned thru the saxophone newsgroups I used to participate in and left them a barren hellscape.

 

[jeremiah]

Last paragraph is poetry. Ha.

 

[zoomer]

all in a day's work but thanks.

 

[ButteMT61]

@Smithy - totally true. I didn't see where Ken (in this case the one being mentioned) diss'd any makers, only contributed info parallel to the conversation. If I missed something, please let me know.
It IS a fine line. I agree 100%
I just want the place to remain civil and get as much info as possible. I like makers contributing, as long as it's not detrimental to others...

And again, there's some slinging arrows that would be best served not doing so. This falls under the "not a maker yet but might be" heading. Let's be nice and appreciate the value all of these learned folks bring to us - for free!

 

[Ole]

On the contrary, I think we should let vendors try to trash another maker or their goods. Let them say what they think. That's where real info is.
But not comments like e.g. "this doesn't look like our vicenza" that are not backed with evidence. Cause that's pure slandering.
If you can take it, DNA test it and then say it's not vicenza, then I am with you. Do you have the balls?

 

[MeachamLake]

I just want the place to remain civil and get as much info as possible. I like makers contributing, as long as it's not detrimental to others...

I agree. I would like to think that we're smart enough to realise that when a vendor contributes there is of course going to be some inherent bias in what they're saying - but we can make our own minds up about how much we value their views. I'd hate to see this forum become a padded cell where only approved speech is allowed - I think we're a better bunch than that!

 

[jeremiah]

Well hello Platon.

 

[Roughwear]

On the contrary, I think we should let vendors try to trash another maker or their goods. Let them say what they think. There's where real info is.
But not comments like e.g. "this doesn't look like our vicenza" that are not backed with evidence. Cause that's pure slandering.
If you can take it, DNA test it and then say it's not vicenza, then I am with you. Do you have the balls?

Unfortunately this sort of behaviour annoys people and actually does the vendor no good whatsoever as it deters people from purchasing from them. If the product is good quality it will sell itself without one vendor trashing another or promoting their jackets in every unrelated thread! There needs to be clear rules for vendors here as there are on many forums.

 

[Ole]

So are you saying that if for example vendor A DNA tests a product advertised as vicenza horsehide by vendor B and finds it to be bullshit hide, and lets people know about it, that behavior of vendor A will annoy people more than vendor B selling bullshit hide instead of vicenza horsehide to them? And people will be deterred from purchasing from vendor A? Is this rational? Or have you guys completely lost it?

Is it reasonable for vendor A knowing that vendor B is deceiving people by selling bullshit hide to keep his mouth shut? Is that fair for vendor A, C and D and all the other vendors? What should vendor A do? Nothing? "Let the pictures do the talking?" What? Answer me.

Sorry man, but if there's bullshit hide involved I 'd like to know about it before I buy it.

I say let the vendors talk, but make sure they say the truth. Ask for proof.