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Best pic yet of Arnold Alaska fliers, 1934

Roughwear

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Because they have their knits tucked under, the only guy that might have a zipper rivet showing, which would be indicative of a Werber 1729 is the fellow standing on the far left. However I cant make anything out from the photo.

Yes, but if the they were wearing jackets from the Werber ac 6213 contract and they would have looked the same as those from the previous order. Jackets from the Werber 36-1112-P order are identical to those from the 1729 order.
 

zoomer

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Here at long last is a color photo of an actual Alaska flight patch. This one supposedly belonged to Hap Arnold himself.

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Very large, high resolution scan of what was originally a large-format photo (probably glass plate). Jacket nuts will be over the moon.

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Standing (L to R) are Lt. Lawrence J. Carr, Lt. Charles H. Howard, Maj. Malcolm C. Grow, Medical Corps (flight surgeon), Maj. Hugh J. Knerr, Lt. Col. Henry H. Arnold, Maj. Ralph Royce, Lt. John S. Griffith, and Lt. Leonard F. Harman.
Kneeling (L to R) are Capt. John D. Corkille, Capt. Harold M. McClelland, Capt. Ray A. Dunn, Capt. Westside T. Larson, Lt. Ralph A. Snavely, Lt. Nathan F. Twining (not a flight member), Lt. John S. Mills (not a flight member), Lt. Hez McClellan.

Of the 16 men shown, 10 went on to become generals.
4 of the pilots flew fighter squander for the bombers.. I will look up there names as soon as possible .I have them some were in my paper work..Thank you Thomas Shedd
 

zoomer

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Yep...it was apparently the patch of the 1st (Bomb) Wing, of which he was CO around that time.
 
Yep...it was apparently the patch of the 1st (Bomb) Wing, of which he was CO around that time.
Zoomer ! I am to embark on a long journey,to trace the paper trail of this flight. It will consist of three different states. But be for I do.I would like your opinion.Do you think I will spend more money on getting all the information.Than selling it as is ? This is a tough question,I know I have a piece of history,( can a price be put on it as is or should i go for all the paper work to try to boost the cost? ) My children have no interest in it.This book has a sentimental value to me for it came out of my great grand mothers house before it torn down. I have work with it for 25+ yrs ..From your point of view could you put a price on it? If not that is ok..Thank You for your time....Thomas Shedd
 

B-Man2

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Thomas
Since you sent me this same question via Private Messager that you sent to Zoomer, (See Above)I assume that you are obliviously trying to maximize the amount of feedback you’ll receive from members of this forum. Therefore I’ll assume you’ve sent this question via PM to others here as well, So based on this I’m sharing my response to you with the rest of the forum for their thought and input on your question. My response is printed below;

“What other paperwork do you think you will find ? Why do you think it’s concentrated in 3 different states? You have a nice piece of history that evidently has some relevance to your Great grandmother and you say it has sentimental value to you but here your are looking to maximize your financial gains by trying to increase its value for future sales. That doesn’t make sense. If it has sentimental value keep it and enjoy what it represents. If it doesn’t sell it, and be done with it. By trying to maximize its financial value you seem to be motivated by financial gain and not sentiment.
Sorry , but several here see it that way .”

Posted for your collective comments
Cheers
B-Man2
 
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seres

Member
Thomas:

I’ve been interested in that particular 1934 flight to Alaska for years. But even though I live in Alaska-the flight’s “destination”, the only information I’ve been able to locate has been found online.

Before you consider selling this collection, I suggest you have each item carefully and professionally photographed, and offer for sale the high resolution, scaled, and color matched and corrected digital files. You would retain the original collection.

The sale and distribution of the digital copies would help publicize your collection, and would help identify those willing to purchase the original collection when and if you decide to sell.
 

Smithy

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Thomas
Since you sent me this same question via Private Messager that you sent to Zoomer, (See Above)I assume that you are obliviously trying to maximize the amount of feedback you’ll receive from members of this forum. Therefore I’ll assume you’ve sent this question via PM to others here as well, So based on this I’m sharing my response to you with the rest of the forum for their thought and input on your question. My response is printed below;

“What other paperwork do you think you will find ? Why do you think it’s concentrated in 3 different states? You have a nice piece of history that evidently has some relevance to your Great grandmother and you say it has sentimental value to you but here your are looking to maximize your financial gains by trying to increase its value for future sales. That doesn’t make sense. If it has sentimental value keep it and enjoy what it represents. If it doesn’t sell it, and be done with it. By trying to maximize its financial value you seem to be motivated by financial gain and not sentiment.
Sorry , but several here see it that way .”

Posted for your collective comments
Cheers
B-Man2

Burt, I got a PM from Steve as well. I suggested that he really needs to get in touch with his local museums and the national aviation museums to start with to get the ball rolling. If he wants a value attached to it all (after it's been authenticated of course) because he wants to sell then I suppose that's his business. A value is also a good thing though for insurance purposes, and if real that should be included separately in an insurance policy. One of the national aviation museums could be interested in a long-term loan as well.

Selling these sorts of things is different for a lot of people, so I never like to speculate on the motives for selling things of this nature, even if it was mine and I wouldn't want to.
 

B-Man2

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Burt, I got a PM from Steve as well. I suggested that he really needs to get in touch with his local museums and the national aviation museums to start with to get the ball rolling. If he wants a value attached to it all (after it's been authenticated of course) because he wants to sell then I suppose that's his business. A value is also a good thing though for insurance purposes, and if real that should be included separately in an insurance policy. One of the national aviation museums could be interested in a long-term loan as well.

Selling these sorts of things is different for a lot of people, so I never like to speculate on the motives for selling things of this nature, even if it was mine and I wouldn't want to.
Tim
I’m in complete agreement with you, it’s totally within the owners discretion as to what he wants to do with his personal property. To be clear I’m not one who doesn’t believe in financial gain and turning a profit on collectibles and items of interest, I’m all for it. My only point is let’s be candid and not cloak this in terms of sentiment, and simply state the motive here. The gentleman has contacted a number of us on a “behind the scenes” endeavor to determine how he could benefit the most financially. Once again .. no problem with that, I just feel that the guise of sentimental value is being a bit overstated. Why not simply come out to the entire forum and ask the question rather than question some of us individually through the back door. By doing that, it sort of says that he is a little reluctant to come right out and state the obvious and feels more comfortable working through the back channels.
Just my opinion.... I’m sure others will disagree.
Cheers
PS BTWI think the owners name is Thomas Shedd.
 

Smithy

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You might be right Burt. Then again sometimes folks aren't as savvy with discussion boards and the internet and all that, so he might be just a little not too au fait with how to go about this.

Whatever his motives, I hope that if they are all kosher - the pics, signatures and patch - then they are looked after and cherished wherever they end up.

And if he doesn't want them, he can always send them to me, I'll take the load off his back! I'll even pay for postage I'm such a nice guy :D
 

B-Man2

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Well said Tim!!
And if anyone would keep it and treat it with the respect and care it deserves, it would be you and a few others here for sure.:)
 
Tim
I’m in complete agreement with you, it’s totally within the owners discretion as to what he wants to do with his personal property. To be clear I’m not one who doesn’t believe in financial gain and turning a profit on collectibles and items of interest, I’m all for it. My only point is let’s be candid and not cloak this in terms of sentiment, and simply state the motive here. The gentleman has contacted a number of us on a “behind the scenes” endeavor to determine how he could benefit the most financially. Once again .. no problem with that, I just feel that the guise of sentimental value is being a bit overstated. Why not simply come out to the entire forum and ask the question rather than question some of us individually through the back door. By doing that, it sort of says that he is a little reluctant to come right out and state the obvious and feels more comfortable working through the back channels.
Just my opinion.... I’m sure others will disagree.
Cheers
PS BTWI think the owners name is Thomas Shedd.
In regards to your post,I do not have a monitory value on the photos.And a far as the three states I must go to,there is a reason for that (1) All enlisted men and woman records are keep at the Pentagon (2) All retired non commission officer records are keep in Atlanta G.A(3)And all officers records are Montgomery A.L..So that is why the road trip..On and by the way all DD 214 are in Dallas T.X. Im not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.I seen you had a good repetition on here ,so with that being said I thought I could ask for some advice.( but don worries yourself it wont happen again. And as for as the other member he was next on the list because he said he work at a museum.All I was trying to find out if I had something of value .I do not know hoe many of these may be floating around out there .That was my intent..Oh by the way the name is Mr.Jerry Thomas Shedd..you have my consent to pass it on if you wish to....Mr Jerry Thomas Shed
 
Here are some old war planes flight-in over L.A before it was big
 

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