Another fantasy jacket from Buzz Rickson this time NASA

[Cocker]

Indeed, got no reply regarding authenticity of the Astronaut jacket, only a rant about how we're trying to diminish BR's products based on trivial facts. I think Charles is just plainly ignoring that the problem we have with these jackets is when BR states they're doing an exact duplicate of an existing one, without anything to back their speech. It doesn't detract from the excellent quality of their jacket, but this is plainly and simply dishonest. I'll be glad to see what he has to say about rhe blazing red MA-1.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

At PB's price point, I'll be all over it as soon as it's out there ! I guess you'll be doing your usual sleeve/body length adjustments on request for these too ?

Is the material of the shell final ? Looks a bit too dark green for my liking, but that's just me.

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Hi Cocker

The plan is for us to make up stock in all sizes beforer releasing them "from stock", this could be several months as we can only spare one machinist for half a day a week to work on them.
The patterns are the original ones we used in the 1990s, these will be doubled checked so we are going to have one of each size as pre-production samples
If anyone wants a deal on one of these PM me, we can add length, give collar colour choice but there will only be one available in each size.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Always tricky with colours in books or online Ken.

............and here was me offering an original photo as evidence.............wasn't that what this thread was really about :>)

 

[Cocker]

Hi Cocker

The plan is for us to make up stock in all sizes beforer releasing them "from stock", this could be several months as we can only spare one machinist for half a day to work on them.
The patterns are the original ones we used in the 1990s, these will be doubled checked sowe are going to have one of each size as pre-production samples
If anyone wants a deal on one of these PM me, we can add length, give collar colour choice but there will only be one available in each size.

Hello Ken,

Thanks for the fast answer! That sounds pretty logical indeed. I hope they will be available as custom sizing for winter 2018 though, I'm dead set on getting one!

 

[Cocker]

............and here was me offering an original photo as evidence.............wasn't that what this thread was really about :>)

Actually, I've found what's bothering me! It's not really the color of the shell, more the lighter tone of the cuffs contrasting with it. And the blueish tone of the alpaca caused by the picture.

Brown alpaca, darker green or brown cuffs, and it'll be really good!

 

[Smithy]

............and here was me offering an original photo as evidence.............wasn't that what this thread was really about :>)

I'm not having a go Ken. I just thought the jacket looked a tad dark for my liking. I'd prefer a lighter more common green but that's just me.

If you do price them around the Pike Bros pricing point I'd imagine you'll sell a boat load.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

I'm not having a go Ken..

I do know that, internet messages don't always show one's tongue firmly in one's cheek

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Actually, I've found what's bothering me! It's not really the color of the shell, more the lighter tone of the cuffs contrasting with it. And the blueish tone of the alpaca caused by the picture.

Brown alpaca, darker green or brown cuffs, and it'll be really good!

All three options available

 

[Cocker]

All three options available

And this is why I was hoping so eagerly you guys would have a go at the B-10 again! That and my unconditional love for the A-2 you made for me.

 

[MeachamLake]

PM sent to Ken! I'm thinking of going for brown alpaca lining, brown cuffs and rust mouton. Real McCoy's did a version in this combination and it looked awesome.

On the subject of fantasy jackets, rust knits might look good though...!

 

[Cocker]

As long as it's not disclosed as an exact replica of a very specific contract...

 

[MeachamLake]

Just back on topic here for a second...

Every previous dealing I've had with Charles over at TFL has been courteous and very professional. However, I think he's comically misjudged his approach to this whole scenario. My initial, genuine question about seeing pictures of the original jacket this new one is based on - according to him "this is a copy of an original pilot's jacket" - has been flat out ignored. I genuinely had no idea about this thread beforehand and asked that question with honest intent, but I'm utterly baffled and shocked by his response.

What on earth is going on with that long, rambling rant about naysayers and criticising the stitching work of other makers...? I can understand him wanting to defend his position, but to start slagging off other people seems out of order. Perhaps his monopoly on Buzz products has gone to his head, as if I was selling very expensive, niche products directly to my target market I certainly wouldn't seek to start pissing people off willy nilly.

I was considering ordering an MA-1 from him, but I think I'll just import one from Japan instead after this.

 

[oose]

I too have nothing against BR, I have owned a number over the years and have always been extremely happy with them, Its just this insistence on them calling these jackets 'a copy of one worn by a test pilot that was made from the same nylon twill as the found on the issue L-2B ' instead of just saying here we have a nice twist on a 50's L-2b in NASA blue. I can't post on the other forum but I support both yours of your statements, all we are asking is to back up the claim, I'm sure that BR are perfectly capable of producing an accurate reproduction of any jacket if they so desired.

Stu

 

[redjoshuaman]

I have several Buzz Rickson products, I like them.

Something that puzzles me about this, as well as previous spats regarding Buzz Rickson products, is that each one could very easily and definitively be resolved on Buzz Rickson's part by taking a photograph of the Original Garment they were copying/imitating.

Frankly, I am surprised they do not already, for every garment they reproduce, do a series of detailed side-by-sides like one sees often done by Mash Co. or rarely even by At The Front. It seems like that would be a fairly easy no-brainer for the company. Especially since I always saw part of the premium price of these premium products as a form of insurance that they are indeed high quality "exact" reproductions of the item in question.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

As long as it's not disclosed as an exact replica of a very specific contract...

The first three words on the label are our get out clause.....................................:>)

 

[Cocker]

Hey, now that's too easy !!

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[ButteMT61]

I've stayed out of all this lately as I had had enough of it. I don't think it's Charles, but rather another member there that gets him stirred up and whether it's a tag-team or just someone tagging along to start ***t, I for one can't even go there any more for fear that this guy will popup with his BS which started defending HPA vs Good Wear and Diamond Dave's jackets.
He's got a loose nut, and he has something out for those guys - and now me. reading his posts make me think that if he were a kid in school, I'd have to report him as being dangerous and/or mentally unsound. I've never read anger like his in posts on either of these two forums, and I just now choose to keep away from that place.

I like the idea of that Aero there @Ken at Aero Leather. And keeping the claims to a minimum will surely help them from becoming a nightmare thread someday! What would you reckon cost might be? I've gotten smitten with fabric jackets in the last year and I really did want one of those Red MA-1 Buzz's.

The funny thing was the ragging on DD for his sizing when the XXL Buzz is fitted to be a "44" US. Yet it was said it would likely fit me - a 48? In the end, the size scare (I didn't care too much about the auth claims) and my wife saying "NO!" put me off.

I'm hoping that DD does the Apollo line this year. I think I trust him more than going with ambiguous sizing on an expensive overseas model at this point...

And like @MeachamLake - I have had civil posts/chats with Charles. It may be different in his head, but he's been helpful and pleasant. Just not sure about the extensive claims of jackets without more evidence...

 

[ButteMT61]

So guys, being a complete imbecile in regards to the B-10, what's the combo do the cool kids like? I like both of these below, but favor the lighter mouton as I think it's more likely to get an OK from the wife?

 

[redjoshuaman]

Personally, I have always preferred the browner mouton that one sees on B-10s and B-15s. The extremely light, almost white, mouton to me always looked cheap and extremely un-military.

However, I understand that other's mileage may vary.

Of the two you posted, I definitely like the look of the Buzz Rickson significantly more, even though the knits annoy me. If I were getting one cheap, such as a used one, I'd probably spring for some replacement knits from Mash Co. and switch them out for something that was more in the acceptable range color wise.

 

[ButteMT61]

Personally, I have always preferred the browner mouton that one sees on B-10s and B-15s. The extremely light, almost white, mouton to me always looked cheap and extremely un-military.

However, I understand that other's mileage may vary.

Of the two you posted, I definitely like the look of the Buzz Rickson significantly more, even though the knits annoy me. If I were getting one cheap, such as a used one, I'd probably spring for some replacement knits from Mash Co. and switch them out for something that was more in the acceptable range color wise.

Thanks for your thoughts! I understand about the lighter mouton, but for some reason, I like it. I also like rust, but also wasn't liking the BR knits.
Top one likely gets wife nod, but I will send it over and ask. I kinda like something different too, but not as to be off the mark of the originals...