Another fantasy jacket from Buzz Rickson this time NASA

[oose]

Yet again Buzz has produced another fantasy jacket to go with their red MA-1, this time they have just changed the colour of their 50's L-2b and added a LAND MFG label. This is extremely lazy piece of work and bears only superficial resemblance to the original produced in the late 60's-early 70's. The only nylon blue LAND MFG jacket has a white 'fluffy' lining, no epaulets, no oxygen tab, zips are wrong, a complete dog’s dinner, this stretches the definition of a reproduction. I'm just waiting for them to produce a mustard version of this a Kings Point label!

 

[Smithy]

And yet it's amazing how a certain sales rep for this crowd cries blue murder and even descends to implied accusations of racism of anyone who questions the accuracy of their supposed exact replicas.

 

[Cocker]

Yup... Call me a troll, but I'm on it, I'm sick of the "über realistic BR jackets" propaganda.

 

[Miles]

NASA is so bogus as it is. I don’t think we ever landed on the moon. Surely EMLC can fabricate a nasa jacket [emoji38]


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[Cocker]

NASA is so bogus as it is. I don’t think we ever landed on the moon.

I take it you're kidding, right?

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001184.html...old news circa 2012

 

[Miles]

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001184.html...old news circa 2012

Haha makes sense


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[MeachamLake]

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001184.html...old news circa 2012

Ken, I hear you're getting back into the cloth jacket game with the B-10. Very much hoping to place an order for one.

Have you ever/are you ever going to look at producing other cloth and nylon jackets? It seems that outside of the Japanese makers and their crazy prices, there is a real gap in the market for quality, well priced repros of these jackets. I'd love to see custom Korean War era jackets, B-15C/D, MA-1 etc.

 

[Tommy]

I actually considered one of these, but I seem to remember they were Real McCoys sort of price range, although probably a much smaller production run?

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Ken, I hear you're getting back into the cloth jacket game with the B-10. Very much hoping to place an order for one.

Have you ever/are you ever going to look at producing other cloth and nylon jackets? It seems that outside of the Japanese makers and their crazy prices, there is a real gap in the market for quality, well priced repros of these jackets. I'd love to see custom Korean War era jackets, B-15C/D, MA-1 etc.

You are obviously better informed than I am, ML, I've been a bit wrapped up with our knitwear range of late, lots of new sweaters coming out this year............I was aware that Sam has been looking for a suitable Gaberdine for the B-10 for some time, she must have found some.
We have done a B-15 in the past, way back, this might be one for the lads who make the military sheepskins if they've got time during the summer.
With Pike Bros having a decent versions of both which we could stock and Aero machinists being really busy making leather jackets we did take our eye off these styles for a while. Shame really as we have a couple of really good cloth machinists on the payroll..

Can't see us ever using Nylon, we aren't at all keen on synthetics

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Just had an email from the factory putting me "In The Loop" ..................looks like they are reading VLJ when they are supposed to be working overtime :>)

Here's the first test sample, apparently needs some fine tuning.

Grey alpaca lining (Not as blue as it looks in the photo), Brown available, Dead stock Talon zipper Small rectangular puller, it'll be in a similar price region to the Pike Bros B-10

 

[MeachamLake]

Just had an email from the factory putting me "In The Loop" ..................looks like they are reading VLJ when they are supposed to be working overtime :>)

Here's the first test sample, apparently needs some fine tuning.

Grey alpaca lining (Not as blue as it looks in the photo), Brown available, Dead stock Talon zipper Small rectangular puller, it'll be in a similar price region to the Pike Bros B-10

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Thanks for sharing Ken, that looks awesome. I presume we will get a choice of mouton collar also? I have always preferred the darker shade of brown. Either way, this looks ace and the price point being around the Pike Bros version is even better!

And thanks for your other reply too. I can think of plenty of other cloth flight jackets that I would kill to own in a custom size...being tall really makes life difficult in this area. B15-B, B-15B mod with knitted collar, experimental L-2 prototype in navy blue twill...it's about time somebody gave the Japanese some competition in this area

 

[Tommy]

That looks deadly Ken. Definitely looks better cuff wise than the Pike Brother's jackets whose loose cuffs have always been the one real bad point of a great jacket for me. The moulton looks a lot better than the Pike Brothers as well.

I know that's just a sample, I don't know how faithful you intend to do the production model, but the cut on that one looks very good.

Too early for its own thread?

 

[Cocker]

At PB's price point, I'll be all over it as soon as it's out there ! I guess you'll be doing your usual sleeve/body length adjustments on request for these too ?

Is the material of the shell final ? Looks a bit too dark green for my liking, but that's just me.

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[Smithy]

I'm with Cocker Ken, the colour looks too dark and the collar could probably use some tweaking in terms of colour and perhaps also shape. But that's small potatoes and it's a work in progress. Great to see you guys bringing out a B-10. It should do well as they're a practical, good looking and comfortable flight jacket.

 

[Smithy]

Hey Cocker,

I had a look over at TFL (yes I'll admit I wanted to see what all the fuss was about over there) and all seemed to go very quiet when you posted that pic of an "actual" Flite Wear jacket. It will be interesting to see whether Charles at HPA will acknowledge that this jacket isn't exactly accurate (along with the Northrop Blazing Red MA-1 that was being touted as an exacting replica of the jacket worn by the F-89H Scorpion pilots) or whether he'll keep peddling the marketing blurb, especially as he told you in that last thread that he'd readily acknowledge if these supposed accurately labelled jackets weren't copies of actual jackets or were not accurate replicas.

I actually wonder if he's even seen those photos of the actual F-89H Scorpion pilots in their jackets and just how different they are from that BR jacket which they're touting as a replica?

Those NASA and "Northrop" BR jackets are probably extremely nicely made jackets and very comfortable, but just don't try and bullshit punters by saying they're accurate replicas.

 

[colekwok]

Hey Cocker,
Those NASA and "Northrop" BR jackets are probably extremely nicely made jackets and very comfortable, but just don't try and bullshit punters by saying they're accurate replicas.

I just read the other threads in the hat forum, I wonder how a rep from the company can objectively justify their own products. In contracts, I think ELC does a great job in placing the original jackets side by side to show how close they are to the replica.

Anyway, look at this jacket here from the Alpha 2018 range.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

I'm with Cocker Ken, the colour looks too dark and the collar could probably use some tweaking in terms of colour and perhaps also shape. But that's small potatoes and it's a work in progress. Great to see you guys bringing out a B-10. It should do well as they're a practical, good looking and comfortable flight jacket.

As we say in these parts..................what can't speak can't lie!

As usual, when we can, we prefer to replicate the rarer rather than the common or garden version.................ie referernce our lining choice for our eariest A-2s, silk not cotton. :>)

 

[Smithy]

Always tricky with colours in books or online Ken.

 

[Smithy]

I just read the other threads in the hat forum, I wonder how a rep from the company can objectively justify their own products

That's the problem, they can't.