Am I going nuts or????

[A2wander]

Below are a couple in-stock Aero options for you. That jerky seal Bronco looks like it might work well for a taller guy like yourself.

USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330 on Aero Leather Clothing for £840.00

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USAAF Type A-2: Bronco Contract No W535-AC29191, Jerky: Seal, 42" - S#6445

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Bronco Contract No W535-AC29191, Jerky: Seal, 42" - S#6445 on Aero Leather Clothing for £900.00

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I saw it as well , great looking piece, but I want a russet color… but thanks for the link .
End of this week I’ll order the bronco in vicenca HH , holly already has my exact measurements..

 

[flyincowboy]

If there's 1 3/8" difference in width between the panels, there's your issue and it's not accurate to any pattern. The pocket placement just looks even more asymmetrical due to one panel being significantly smaller.

I've noticed more and more frequently these type of mistakes by 5* and they just blame it on "the pattern" to deflect any blame. Their customer service has quite frankly gone down the toilet. Just look at the dedicated 5* thread on TFL.

Never done a jacket but as upholsterer when we work on a pattern each piece has to be symetric and mirrors the other sides . Seats have to be the same i mean that the left side should match the right side perfectly Right side must be identical to the left side ...it must be completely symmetrical and match the template /pattern THATS A RULE OF A THUMB. In your case it does not look like that And you should report this to SHAWN...Tell him that he will loose some customers from the VLJ FORUM.Quite sure that he will listen to you..

 

[coolhandluke]

I saw it as well , great looking piece, but I want a russet color… but thanks for the link .
End of this week I’ll order the bronco in vicenca HH , holly already has my exact measurements..

Sounds great. There was a size 42 russet Vicenza Bronco that I actually went to find for you, but it had sold since the last time that I had visited their site.

USAAF Type A-2: Bronco, Vicenza: Russet, 42" - S#6473

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Bronco, Vicenza: Russet, 42" - S#6473 on Aero Leather Clothing for £750.00

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[coolhandluke]

Never done a jacket but as upholsterer when we work on a pattern each piece has to be symetric and mirrors the other sides . Seats have to be the same i mean that the left side should match the right side perfectly Right side must be identical to the left side ...it must be completely symmetrical and match the template /pattern THATS A RULE OF A THUMB. In your case it does not look like that And you should report this to SHAWN...Tell him that he will loose some customers from the VLJ FORUM.Quite sure that he will listen to you..

I think there's always going to be some variance between the two front panels, but it's typically within 1/8" on every jacket that I've personally owned. That number is a drop in the ocean compared to other members here though.

A variance of over 1" just can't be reasoned away by the pattern that was copied from an original jacket. Assembler error is the only possibility or every 5* jacket from this pattern would look like a psuedo-side zip.

 

[A2wander]

Sounds great. There was a size 42 russet Vicenza Bronco that I actually went to find for you, but it had sold since the last time that I had visited their site.

USAAF Type A-2: Bronco, Vicenza: Russet, 42" - S#6473

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Bronco, Vicenza: Russet, 42" - S#6473 on Aero Leather Clothing for £750.00

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I also saw that one a couple of weeks ago, only I need a 26,50 minimum for my arms

 

[Kermit3D]

I also saw that one a couple of weeks ago, only I need a 26,25 minimum for my arms

Honestly, I think such a measurement error is unacceptable on Fivestar's part. It should not have passed quality control.

If it helps, I'm exactly the same size as you :
1m88, 77 kg and 40 around the chest.

I have an A-2 Bill Kelso that fits me well, whose measurements are as follows :

Shoulder to shoulder : 45.5 cm (17.7 in)
Sleeve length ( outside curve + knits) : 66 cm (26 in)
Pit to pit : 56 cm (22 in)
Back lenght : 62 cm (24.5 in)
Shoulders + sleeves : 177.5 cm (69.7 in)

It's this jacket :

A little tip: the soulders + sleeves measurement is important because sleeve length actually depends on shoulder width. For example, on my B-6 the sleeves measure only 61.5 cm, but this is compensated for by the 51.5 cm shoulder width.


All this to say that this Aero jacket should be fine (if you like jackets that aren't oversized) :

USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330 on Aero Leather Clothing for £840.00

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[leper-colony]

Agreed, but unfortunately the photos and measurements don't lie in this particular instance.

I was commenting on the thread "Just look at the dedicated 5* thread on TFL."

 

[coolhandluke]

I was commenting on the thread "Just look at the dedicated 5* thread on TFL."

Yes, I understood that. That thread has many first hand experiences and photo examples, both good and bad. There's also some negative piling on by third parties who have no first hand experience (I was assuming that's what you were referencing). There are always those who want to shit on something.

In this circumstance @A2wander's shared measurements and photos aren't subjective. His jacket was botched by 5*.

 

[A2wander]

Honestly, I think such a measurement error is unacceptable on Fivestar's part. It should not have passed quality control.

If it helps, I'm exactly the same size as you :
1m88, 77 kg and 40 around the chest.

I have an A-2 Bill Kelso that fits me well, whose measurements are as follows :

Shoulder to shoulder : 45.5 cm (17.7 in)
Sleeve length ( outside curve + knits) : 66 cm (26 in)
Pit to pit : 56 cm (22 in)
Back lenght : 62 cm (24.5 in)
Shoulders + sleeves : 177.5 cm (69.7 in)

It's this jacket :

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A little tip: the soulders + sleeves measurement is important because sleeve length actually depends on shoulder width. For example, on my B-6 the sleeves measure only 61.5 cm, but this is compensated for by the 51.5 cm shoulder width.


All this to say that this Aero jacket should be fine (if you like jackets that aren't oversized) :

USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330

Buy USAAF Type A-2: Aero Contract No. 42-18775-P , Jerky: Seal, 40" - S#6330 on Aero Leather Clothing for £840.00

www.aeroleatherclothing.com

Great looking jacket, and a nice fit ( saw it if I’m correct at inst also)
And we have almost identical measurements, mine are

Back is 66cm

 

[s4rmark]

Interestingly I also have a Fivestar David D Doniger A-2 and the pit to zip measurements are the same but the Roughwear has one inch difference !

 

[coolhandluke]

Interestingly I also have a Fivestar David D Doniger A-2 and the pit to zip measurements are the same but the Roughwear has one inch difference !

If that's the case, who knows...maybe the original jacket that they took the pattern from did have badly mismatched front panel measurements.

 

[A2wander]

Interestingly I also have a Fivestar David D Doniger A-2 and the pit to zip measurements are the same but the Roughwear has one inch difference !

Strangely nobody complained about this??
Or nobody noticed it before until now.

 

[ZuZu]

How can there be a 3 page discussion about this? Original contracts indeed have verious weird "off" things with collars and pocket placement and the size of one front panel opposed to the other- these are the weird things you discover when studying original A-2s. Some of these weirdnesses were purposeful in the pattern and others were the product of industrial sewing. Every once in a while a funny foible would get through inspection. But to worry about this over a 5 Star jacket is IMO absurd. These are not faithful copies- at best they are a rough sketch of whatever contract they're "copying"! Everything is slightly exaggerated, poorly sewn and just "lost in translation".

 

[coolhandluke]

How can there be a 3 page discussion about this? Original contracts indeed have verious weird "off" things with collars and pocket placement and the size of one front panel opposed to the other- these are the weird things you discover when studying original A-2s. Some of these weirdnesses were purposeful in the pattern and others were the product of industrial sewing. Every once in a while a funny foible would get through inspection. But to worry about this over a 5 Star jacket is IMO absurd. These are not faithful copies- at best they are a rough sketch of whatever contract they're "copying"! Everything is slightly exaggerated, poorly sewn and just "lost in translation".

It's made it 3 pages exactly because of the fact that this isn't a wartime production original. Even if 5* copied an original with dissimilar sized front panels, in what world should having a zipper 1 3/8" off of center pass QC? 5* or not, it's piss poor patterning that any garment producer should be able to get right.

 

[ZuZu]

It's made it 3 pages exactly because of the fact that this isn't a wartime production original. Even if 5* copied an original with dissimilar sized front panels, in what world should having a zipper 1 3/8" off of center pass QC? 5* or not, it's piss poor patterning that any garment producer should be able to get right.

I guess my point was that if the OP jacket can be worn why worry about mesurements? It's a 5 Star! Nobody's expecting much from it. if it works then enjoy it!

 

[A2wander]

How can there be a 3 page discussion about this? Original contracts indeed have verious weird "off" things with collars and pocket placement and the size of one front panel opposed to the other- these are the weird things you discover when studying original A-2s. Some of these weirdnesses were purposeful in the pattern and others were the product of industrial sewing. Every once in a while a funny foible would get through inspection. But to worry about this over a 5 Star jacket is IMO absurd. These are not faithful copies- at best they are a rough sketch of whatever contract they're "copying"! Everything is slightly exaggerated, poorly sewn and just "lost in translation".

with all due respect,
I have not been with this beautiful and very interesting forum for long and what you just wrote...
That's why I posted this question here because I wanted to share this with you because I ran into this (5* or elc or gw) doesn't matter, they are all copies of the original patterns that they have lying around.
That's why I asked myself whether this is correct, because a zipper that is 3.5 cm from the center is quite a lot and they have been making these types of jackets for several years and this model is also sold a lot.
and whether 3 or 10 pages are written about it, questions and/or answers seem normal to me... 5* or whatever maker.
In any case, I am happy with all the answers I have read so far and can certainly do something with them for the future.

 

[Ritchy]

Here it is, fresh out of the box.

I'm trying to figure out where they messed up.
Sleeves shrink a bit because of the creasing, and not 3.5cm. Haven't seen a flat panel leather shrink that much.

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It looks like the two front sides of the jackets come from different sizes pattern :-(

 

[Silver Surfer]

I thought Muslims didn’t drink.