WWII German winter parkas

[Smithy]

I add a few pics of original oak leave pattern parkas so you can compare it to my nestof repro. Note the texture of the cloth, the belt, the stamps and the way the belt was secured in the back...View attachment 84939View attachment 84939View attachment 84940View attachment 84941View attachment 84942View attachment 84943

Great link and photos Enigma. That is an issued parka and one which has been used, albeit I wouldn't bet against it having been lightly cleaned. You can see the staining and wear. Also in areas where it has experienced high wear the camouflage pattern is being worn down.

Lovely link and the same as the two originals I was lucky enough to look at, although they were far dirtier and knocked around.

EDIT: Sorry Enigma I called you Kermit in this post but have corrected it!

 

[Smithy]

Just been digging through some stuff and books I had and thought I'd add it here as I thought it could be useful.

In terms of originals:

- Outer fabric on both M1942 and M1944 patterns was cotton or rayon or a mix. This obviously leads to slight differences in outer shell appearance on originals.

- Inner lining on both patterns was Reizwolle.

- Was initially issued in 3 different weights: light; medium; and heavy. I haven't been able to ascertain whether this was the same for the M1944 pattern. It's just a guess but the M1944 seems to have been issued in autumn 1944 and I'd be inclined (due to how the war was going, lack of resources and the rest of it) that it was issued only in the heavy weight. Not very scientific but all the original Sumpf pattern 44s I have seen online have appeared to be the heavy weight version.

- The difference between the 42 and 44 pattern is that the 44 introduced reinforcement patches on the elbows and "darts" were included in the tailoring of the hood to make it "sit" better.

As far as I can ascertain from the books I have these features were the same for Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS versions.

HTH and adds to the thread!

Tim

 

[ausreenactor]

I think 1942 to 1943 was chaos for the Wehrmacht and W-SS Burt on the Eastern Front. I imagine the potato-mashers got a quick coat of paint whilst other equipment was being given a "winter" update.

It's a terrific photo though and one of the best from the period.

The Russo Finnish War was the big catalyst to painting kit... The Russians stood out and paid the price....

The original 'white privilege' perhaps...

 

[ausreenactor]

Nobody has even done the whole "keep it and we'll send you the right one" especially with something as big as a helmet. I've bought a lot of stuff from them and will continue to do so because of that attitude they have to satisfying customers. Second to none.

ATF let me keep a $39 OD Officers Garrison Cap and shipped the Green Wool version a few years back... was chuffed.

 

[ausreenactor]

I'm interested to know this too.

I only have a BR D-2 Parka.... It is a 'goodies' parka... that will suffice...

And a BR M-1951 Parka....

But a grey parka doesn't look like Army kit.... ???

 

[Enigma1938]

But a grey parka doesn't look like Army kit.... ???

Except here in Germany maybe

 

[asiamiles]

Exactly

Dunno why I couldn't initially grasp the concept as t now seems to make perfect sense.

 

[asiamiles]

I can only compare the jacket to pix, as I have never handled an original. that said, the sof jacket looks to be spot on. the weight is appx 2 kilos [5 pounds], so it has heft without being cumbersome. the cotton twill material is a medium weight canvas type material, and feels as though it will have a long life of real wear.

Does anyone know how the weight of the parka compares to the German M43 tunic?

Can anyone ID this as an M43 or an M-44 or...? The presence of chest pockets and seeming lack of hood rule out it being a parka?

 

[Pilot]

Does anyone know how the weight of the parka compares to the German M43 tunic?

Can anyone ID this as an M43 or an M-44 or...? The presence of chest pockets and seeming lack of hood rule out it being a parka?

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IMHO : Post war so called BGS parka or jacket
Plenty of them available on ebay.de and other sites.

BGS-Parka in Sumpftarn, Größe 50 - Militärfahrzeugforum.de

Ich glaube ja ab und an noch an Wunder: Also falls jemand zufällig einen Parka in Größe 50 rumliegen hat, sagt bitte Bescheid! Bezüglich der Kosten ist mir schon klar, daß ich wohl 100+x auftreiben muß.

www.multi-board.com

 

[asiamiles]

IMHO : Post war so called BGS parka or jacket
Plenty of them available on ebay.de and other sites.

BGS-Parka in Sumpftarn, Größe 50 - Militärfahrzeugforum.de

Ich glaube ja ab und an noch an Wunder: Also falls jemand zufällig einen Parka in Größe 50 rumliegen hat, sagt bitte Bescheid! Bezüglich der Kosten ist mir schon klar, daß ich wohl 100+x auftreiben muß.

www.multi-board.com

It certainly could be. Cheers!

 

[Enigma1938]

Jep definitely BGS

 

[Micawber]

Would one of these provide sufficient protection for extreme coffee drinking in Starbucks?

Asking for a friend...

 

[asiamiles]

Jep definitely BGS

Thanks!

 

[asiamiles]

Would one of these provide sufficient protection for extreme coffee drinking in Starbucks?

Asking for a friend...

It would probably struggle against the a/c in HK!

 

[Silver Surfer]

"extreme coffee drinking in Starbucks".....hahahahhahaaha

 

[Pilot]

Would one of these provide sufficient protection for extreme coffee drinking in Starbucks?

Asking for a friend...

For the Harvey Parkinson‘s riders sure not … ruining the coffee and the jacket

 

[Silver Surfer]

anyone know where I can find a blurred edge camo + white belt for one of these parkas?

 

[Enigma1938]

anyone know where I can find a blurred edge camo + white belt for one of these parkas?

SM Wholesale USA — WWII German Blurred Edge Reversable Winter Parka

Our parkas are the best reproductions available today. They are made exactly like the originals using heavy 8 oz. 100% rayon fabric and sewn on the same machines and production methods used in WWII. They feature resin or pebble metal buttons on the camouflage printed side and large white paper, res

www.smwholesaleusa.com

 

[Silver Surfer]

yup, that's the one, but I am trying to find a matching belt for it. anyone?

 

[Enigma1938]

You know that original belts were field grey - white only. Camouflaged ones are a invention of modern repro makers.