Wheeler Fields - Hawaii

[dujardin]

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cpt Walker and Tinker

78th FS Bushmaster

P47 before departure

byeeeeeee marcel

 

[Peter Graham]

What's the plane in the first pic ?

 

[jnlight75]

What's the plane in the first pic ?

I believe that would be a Martin B-10 bomber. I didn't zoom in to check, but you can see the stenciled designation on the side of the aircraft.

 

[CHECK6]

Yes the very ancestor of the B17

 

[Peter Graham]

Thanks guys.

 

[Roughwear]

I also think its a Martin B-10 from the early 1930s.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... start%3D36

 

[Cobblers161]

Interesting details on the jackets. The windflap extends beyond the collar on the fella on the right. The cuffs on the other guys A2 are about 6", that's pretty long, hence the major tunneling huh?

 

[Chandler]

Interesting details on the jackets. The windflap extends beyond the collar on the fella on the right. The cuffs on the other guys A2 are about 6", that's pretty long, hence the major tunneling huh?

What are you talkin' about? I don't see any extension of the wind flap "past" a collar, and there's no tunneling at all on the cuffs we can see -- the fella on the left has his (own) left-hand cuff rolled back, probably due to a watch, and his right hand cuff is about as opposite of tunneling than you can show!

Or maybe you're practicing your sarcasm?

S.

 

[SuinBruin]

They must be Security Aviation Togs A-2s, no?

 

[Chandler]

I tried cropping, sharpening, & tweaking a little:

This may make things clearer (or not) but the airman on the right's wind flap ends right at the top seam of the collar stand. The airman on our left has one collar tab snapped, the other is not, but the unsnapped side is allowing the end of the wind flap to protrude out from the jacket, not necessarily past the collar, the collar is folded behind. This same airman's cuffs are as off kilter as his collar, his right hand being just fine, but his left hand being rolled back off his wrist, on to the rest of the cuff -- almost inside-out.

What I find interesting is the waistband on the 2 different jackets -- it looks like that of our friend on the right has blown out all the elasticity, while our friend on the left has his pulled up high on his waist -- almost as if the body was too long for him.

Well hell -- I can't make Photobuket create this larger than it's showing up. :roll:

Chandler

 

[Cobblers161]

What I'm getting at is that the width of the windflap extends beyond the edge of the collar in it's entirety. Most A2 collars end about 1/2 way through the windflap, this one 'appears' to end at the point the windflap begins. I have seen something similar to this on a couple of original Dubow 27798's where the zipper tape extends past the collar or rather the collar edge sits further back.

Hope that makes sense.

I'll try find the shots to illustrate what I'm babbling on about.

Yeh, the tunneling was a bit sarky however they are very long knits.

I always thought the high waists we see were caused by the waistbelt on the Mae Wests pulling the jacket up and thus causing the front to protrude a little. Or maybe this guy just has freaky hips?

 

[Cobblers161]

What are you talkin' about? I don't see any extension of the wind flap "past" a collar, and there's no tunneling at all on the cuffs we can see -- the fella on the left has his (own) left-hand cuff rolled back, probably due to a watch, and his right hand cuff is about as opposite of tunneling than you can show!

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Ah, you're thinking vertically, I'm thinking horzontally, around the neckline.

 

[deeb7]

They must be Security Aviation Togs A-2s, no?

Yes, Security Sports Wear Co, the only known maker of the first version A-2 with the buttoned pocket flaps.

And the pockets were also lined .... how luxurious.

 

[asiamiles]

What I find interesting is the waistband on the 2 different jackets -- it looks like that of our friend on the right has blown out all the elasticity, while our friend on the left has his pulled up high on his waist -- almost as if the body was too long for him.

I think the explanation is simply that the guy on the left is wearing a fairly new jacket, while the guy on the right is wearing a jacket that's clearly seen some wear, evident in both the hide and the knits.

 

[Chandler]

Ah, you're thinking vertically, I'm thinking horzontally, around the neckline.

I see what you're saying now -- the collar flap lines up to the wind flap seam just as ELC's jackets do.

Chandler

 

[Chandler]

Yes, Security Sports Wear Co, the only known maker of the first version A-2 with the buttoned pocket flaps.

Do both jackets have buttoned pockets? The piece on the right is obvious, but the left-hand is difficult to see.

If the left hand is of the snapped variety it would confirm asiamiles' theory.

Chandler

 

[deeb7]

Do both jackets have buttoned pockets? The piece on the right is obvious, but the left-hand is difficult to see.

I think they do, I can see the buttons on my screen .... try viewing the image at source, it's clearer.

http://hiavps.com/Stories/Walker/Walker ... 7%20sm.jpg

 

[Cobblers161]

Ah, you're thinking vertically, I'm thinking horzontally, around the neckline.

I see what you're saying now -- the collar flap lines up to the wind flap seam just as ELC's jackets do.

Chandler

Is that the case with their original maker jackets as from the original Werbers and Cables I've seen the collar ends either 1/2 to 2/3 way into the windflap. I'm not nitpicking here just curious.

 

[Chandler]

Is that the case with their original maker jackets as from the original Werbers and Cables

From what I understand it is the case. OTOH, my FS Gibson & Barnes goat A2 doesn't align!

Chandler

 

[Chandler]

I think they do, I can see the buttons on my screen .... try viewing the image at source, it's clearer.

I can't say I agree -- on it being clearer or seeing a button anywhere but the far right hand (our perspective) jpocket.

The far left hand pocket looks like it's a snapped down flap, but again -- it's a pixely image at 200% in Photoshop.

Interesting detail that the left-hand jacket's wind flap appears thinner than the right-hand jacket's.

Chandler