coolhandluke
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Not bad...not bad at all. I'll have to eat my words. I didn't think there was any chance that you'd prefer a 5* after having the BK. Congrats! Both of your 5* jackets have been home runs.
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Not bad...not bad at all. I'll have to eat my words. I didn't think there was any chance that you'd prefer a 5* after having the BK. Congrats! Both of your 5* jackets have been home runs.
A2wander
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To be honest, I also thought that I would never be able to compare this with a 'more expensive' repro maker, but I was also really amazed by this...
Since the B3 was of very good quality, I thought to myself... let me try an A2 jacket from them...
I don't know the past of five star with their jackets whether they are of good or less good quality, but this is simply great. absolutely no regrets, in fact, I'm secretly looking for a Star Sportwear or a Bronco and this time in the Russet color.
I would first like to ask Shawn for a photo comparison between certain color types. I have often noticed that they differ from the website.
anyway, thanks for your response
flyincowboy
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Wow stunning! it appears that they are quite good looking jackets. it will be hard to choose one! And what a nice leather for both of them. The pull up hide look fantastic! Just wondering which one will be your favorite jacket!
A2wander
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For now I think I will wear this new five star more, if only for the color it has and because it is slightly smaller than my BK jacket in terms of chest size, it fits like a glove.
Skyranger
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What a beautiful outfit and above all what a beautiful work of art, oh how evocative!
Skyranger
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Sorry to break the mood @A2wander , but just with this photo there are still many points to improve for 5* to be at the level of BK.
The interest is that they are progressing, but for my part I got rid of the A-2 that I had bought from them.
My remark is not mean and do not take it as such, it is just a personal judgment on an overall quality.
And if the buyer likes it, that's what matters.
The interest is that they are progressing, but for my part I got rid of the A-2 that I had bought from them.
My remark is not mean and do not take it as such, it is just a personal judgment on an overall quality.
And if the buyer likes it, that's what matters.
A2wander
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there is always something to improve in quality or in stitching seams and so on... but I personally think this is a very good repro, especially the quality of this leather.Sorry to break the mood @A2wander , but just with this photo there are still many points to improve for 5* to be at the level of BK.
The interest is that they are progressing, but for my part I got rid of the A-2 that I had bought from them.
My remark is not mean and do not take it as such, it is just a personal judgment on an overall quality.
And if the buyer likes it, that's what matters.
There are always areas for improvement, no one is completely perfect, not even the original one from back then...
and of course you and others are free to give your opinion, it is what you say, as long as the buyer is happy with it
coolhandluke
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Sorry to break the mood @A2wander , but just with this photo there are still many points to improve for 5* to be at the level of BK.
The interest is that they are progressing, but for my part I got rid of the A-2 that I had bought from them.
My remark is not mean and do not take it as such, it is just a personal judgment on an overall quality.
And if the buyer likes it, that's what matters.
Considering the cost was approximately $700 USD less than the BK jacket and the wait time was a couple weeks rather than a nearly a year, I can understand someone preferring 5*. Especially if they think that the fit is better and the hide is easier wearing. Even if it's 80% of the level of accuracy of a BK jacket, it's also 40%-50% the cost and much easier to obtain. I'm generally not a fan of Pakistani made jackets anymore, but I'm also not going to knock 5* as Shawn delivered a properly sized jacket to @A2wander. Something that BK couldn't even do.
Skyranger
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What I like about this forum is the incredible expertise of some contributors who are real pros, they are almost historians. Reading them is a joy and I believe that this forum was created so that they can share their knowledge, educate those who wish to buy a historical jacket or its reproduction.
What I like less is the fashion side that would have us rave about the slightest publication and stick lots of likes to the FB method.
Including on the slightest disguise from Asia.
As I am French and I have a bad temper, I repeat my point: it is nice that the buyer is happy with his purchase, but we should not push granny into the nettles: it remains a product that is only worth the price we put on it (half of which is taxes and the price of shipping).
That does not prevent 5 * from having qualities, especially on custom-made products.
What I like less is the fashion side that would have us rave about the slightest publication and stick lots of likes to the FB method.
Including on the slightest disguise from Asia.
As I am French and I have a bad temper, I repeat my point: it is nice that the buyer is happy with his purchase, but we should not push granny into the nettles: it remains a product that is only worth the price we put on it (half of which is taxes and the price of shipping).
That does not prevent 5 * from having qualities, especially on custom-made products.
MauldinFan
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Its perfect weather for my Bronson MA1. I really like this jacket.
Here I am in the back 40 of our property, with my pups who were behind my wife (who of course took the shot).
Here I am in the back 40 of our property, with my pups who were behind my wife (who of course took the shot).
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flyincowboy
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Perfect weather for this CUSTOM MADE" BULKY B3 " LEE RIDER PANTS RIOS MERCEDES SHARK BOOTS
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coolhandluke
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@Skyranger
In the event that your reply was in response to my prior post, I am in 100% agreement with you. Please don't take my post as being argumentative or contrary. I apologize if it came off that way.
My point was that not everyone approaches their purchases through the "historically correct" lens that you described. To a majority of enthusiasts, a mostly acurrate reproduction is perfectly fine. Especially when factoring in lower cost and shorter delivery times. There's always trade-offs for price and convenience and this is just another example of that. In the watch collecting hobby, you'll hear the sentiment of Seiko being a "better" watch than Rolex. Nothing could be further from the truth, but many feel that way due to Seiko's materials, craftsmanship, and performance being 50% of Rolex' at 5% of the cost.
As you said, it is nice that the buyer was happy with their purchase. In many circumstances, that may be the most important aspect of this hobby. Sometimes we get a bit too caught up in details and accuracy to see that.
leper-colony
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BK has had issues with jackets. They all do.Sorry to break the mood @A2wander , but just with this photo there are still many points to improve for 5* to be at the level of BK.
The interest is that they are progressing, but for my part I got rid of the A-2 that I had bought from them.
My remark is not mean and do not take it as such, it is just a personal judgment on an overall quality.
And if the buyer likes it, that's what matters.
B-Man2
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Just wanted to respond to some of the talking points being discussed in this thread, regarding 5 Star jackets as compared to BK and other well known makers jackets.
I think that a couple of talking points need to be considered here.
5 Star leather has been in the A2 manufacturing business for less than 5 years if my memory is correct. During this time that company has made some really great improvements in the quality and accuracy of their products. They went from manufacturing one or two different contract A2’s that were in need of revision, to a line up of various A2’s as well as Shearling jackets and cloth jackets, that while not always 100% accurate, are good jackets for the money. Shawn has worked closely with this forum to tweak and change those areas of his jackets based on several suggestions given to him by members of this forum, and he continues to maintain off line communications with several people here in an effort to better his products .
What I see happening here is that some members continue to make comparisons of his jackets with makers who have been at it a lot longer than 5 Star, have already undergone much of the product research and developmental changes that 5 Star is still dealing with and have overlooked some of the advances that 5 Star has made.
If some of you had been around here back in the 2008 -2009 time frame you would have seen the top tier makers going thru similar evolutions with their jackets. Just look at ELC jackets of that period and compare them to ELC jackets made today. There’s a difference in quality and authenticity. Same holds true with BK jackets or DuBow jackets.
So that’s one thing that needs to be considered before trying to compare 5 Star with BK or any other makers.
The other thing that seems to occur is that many people here want a Good Wear quality jacket, for a 5 Star price. You can challenge this if you’d like, but we’ve seen it time and time again. 5 Star has been criticized for its lack of quality hardware, lack of quality leather, lack of quality zippers, lack of quality fleece etc etc etc.
The facts are that you are never going to get a GW quality type of jacket for a 5 Star price. It’s never going to happen. So accept that fact and choose a maker that fits your requirements and your pocket book.
Lastly .. there’s the financial aspect of this hobby . Not all of us are fortunate enough to be able to plop down $1,500 US for what is essentially a casual knock around jacket? If you don’t think this is an accurate assessment then tell us this …… when was the last time you spent $1500 U.S. on a dress suit to wear to work or a semi formal function ?
So what it comes down to is personal choice and personal finances. Buy what works best for you and let’s all realize that we all can’t afford to wear Good Wears. Those of us who can, should be more accepting of those who can’t , or those of us who can, but choose not to spend that kind of money on a casual jacket should not be criticized for buying a less costly jacket. And let’s not be critical of those same people who are happy with their purchase and want to show it off and praise their jacket. Just my 2 cents .
I think that a couple of talking points need to be considered here.
5 Star leather has been in the A2 manufacturing business for less than 5 years if my memory is correct. During this time that company has made some really great improvements in the quality and accuracy of their products. They went from manufacturing one or two different contract A2’s that were in need of revision, to a line up of various A2’s as well as Shearling jackets and cloth jackets, that while not always 100% accurate, are good jackets for the money. Shawn has worked closely with this forum to tweak and change those areas of his jackets based on several suggestions given to him by members of this forum, and he continues to maintain off line communications with several people here in an effort to better his products .
What I see happening here is that some members continue to make comparisons of his jackets with makers who have been at it a lot longer than 5 Star, have already undergone much of the product research and developmental changes that 5 Star is still dealing with and have overlooked some of the advances that 5 Star has made.
If some of you had been around here back in the 2008 -2009 time frame you would have seen the top tier makers going thru similar evolutions with their jackets. Just look at ELC jackets of that period and compare them to ELC jackets made today. There’s a difference in quality and authenticity. Same holds true with BK jackets or DuBow jackets.
So that’s one thing that needs to be considered before trying to compare 5 Star with BK or any other makers.
The other thing that seems to occur is that many people here want a Good Wear quality jacket, for a 5 Star price. You can challenge this if you’d like, but we’ve seen it time and time again. 5 Star has been criticized for its lack of quality hardware, lack of quality leather, lack of quality zippers, lack of quality fleece etc etc etc.
The facts are that you are never going to get a GW quality type of jacket for a 5 Star price. It’s never going to happen. So accept that fact and choose a maker that fits your requirements and your pocket book.
Lastly .. there’s the financial aspect of this hobby . Not all of us are fortunate enough to be able to plop down $1,500 US for what is essentially a casual knock around jacket? If you don’t think this is an accurate assessment then tell us this …… when was the last time you spent $1500 U.S. on a dress suit to wear to work or a semi formal function ?
So what it comes down to is personal choice and personal finances. Buy what works best for you and let’s all realize that we all can’t afford to wear Good Wears. Those of us who can, should be more accepting of those who can’t , or those of us who can, but choose not to spend that kind of money on a casual jacket should not be criticized for buying a less costly jacket. And let’s not be critical of those same people who are happy with their purchase and want to show it off and praise their jacket. Just my 2 cents .
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Shanghai-Mayne
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Second, low price jacket, use low price leather, that’s the fact. No way, a low price jacket maker able to provide high price leather.
coolhandluke
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Very well said Burt.
Lord Flashheart
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Dress for the occasion. And given the seasonal murk that's spot on.
