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What jacket(s) are you wearing at the moment?

John Luder

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One deplores being referred to as a 'Brit'! British if you don't mind, there's a good chap ;)
Is that true? My friend in Shropshire never expressed such sentiments. She refers to us as Yanks. The first time, she asked if I thought that was offensive; I said no.
I usually say "English" when talking about England's inhabitants. Well, what used to be the majority of its inhabitants, I dare say.
As for the Michiganders found herein, "Mister Witt, sir..You'll upset the lads.." BTW, Nigel Green was 6'2'; I recently read that the real Frank Bourne 5'3". Ay carumba.
 

MauldinFan

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We had a Memorial Day event at a nearby town for my group, all of us dressed as WW2 soldiers. I'm wearing my Headwind Bronco A2.
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Smithy

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I have experience working with and refinishing leather. My experience is that the neatsfoot oil effect will eventually fade a bit as it dries over time.

As an aside, and as I have mentioned on this forum previously, I have a good friend who is one of the top leather harness makers in this country [some of his work will set you back the cost of several jackets by top tier makers] who hates Neatsfoot oil. He reckons repeated use over time causes the leather fibres to swell and weaken and also has the potential to rot cotton stitching. My own experience is that it can leach through stitch holes, wick through threads and stain fabric it contacts.

I'm not big on neatsfoot either. As some here know I come from a family who farm several sheep and cattle stations in NZ where a lot of leather equipment is used - like most large stations back home horses are used to get around the rugged country and for mustering/rounding up/driving livestock, so a LOT of horsetack, whips, etc, etc.

None of my family use plain neatsfoot and as such I was brought up not to either.

There's better stuff around. We have some saddles which my granddad was using in the 30s which are still OK.
 

B-Man2

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I'm not big on neatsfoot either. As some here know I come from a family who farm several sheep and cattle stations in NZ where a lot of leather equipment is used - like most large stations back home horses are used to get around the rugged country and for mustering/rounding up/driving livestock, so a LOT of horsetack, whips, etc, etc.

None of my family use plain neatsfoot and as such I was brought up not to either.

There's better stuff around. We have some saddles which my granddad was using in the 30s which are still OK.
I was kinda surprised when he said that he used it on his jacket but it looked good . I’m not sure about the long term effects of it but as a kid I remember putting it all over our new baseball gloves when we first got them to get them to break in faster. Never saw any adverse effects back then, but then again I got a new glove about every 5 years or so .
 

Smithy

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I was kinda surprised when he said that he used it on his jacket but it looked good . I’m not sure about the long term effects of it but as a kid I remember putting it all over our new baseball gloves when we first got them to get them to break in faster. Never saw any adverse effects back then, but then again I got a new glove about every 5 years or so .

Like Steve I was told that pure neatsfoot will rot cotton/natural stitching over time. It's pretty potent stuff.

Burt I'm a great fan of natural saddle and leather dressings. Currently I have a big old can of RM Williams Saddle and Leather Dressing which I've used on jackets, boots, luggage, car seats, everything leather. Been using it for years and it's some of the best I've come across and which is easy to get my hands on. Lovely stuff and like the things on the farms back home it's formulated not to go rancid.

Bloody good stuff.
 

B-Man2

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Like Steve I was told that pure neatsfoot will rot cotton/natural stitching over time. It's pretty potent stuff.

Burt I'm a great fan of natural saddle and leather dressings. Currently I have a big old can of RM Williams Saddle and Leather Dressing which I've used on jackets, boots, luggage, car seats, everything leather. Been using it for years and it's some of the best I've come across and which is easy to get my hands on. Lovely stuff and like the things on the farms back home it's formulated not to go rancid.

Bloody good stuff.
I would imagine that any product that is made for Farm or Ranch leather would by necessity be great stuff . As you said .. there are harnesses and saddles that are over 70 years old and are still being used daily. Pecards might be ok to use, but it certainly can’t hold up under farm or ranch work conditions .
 

Smithy

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I would imagine that any product that is made for Farm or Ranch leather would by necessity be great stuff . As you said .. there are harnesses and saddles that are over 70 years old and are still being used daily. Pecards might be ok to use, but it certainly can’t hold up under farm or ranch work conditions .

The stuff on the farms comes from the horse supply shop - can't remember the name but it's pretty much the same as the RM Williams stuff - it has neatsfoot in it but it's not pure neatsfoot which is the stuff to stay away from.

I bought a can of Pecards years back when I got into this jacket malarkey after hearing all the hype about it. TBH as soon as I got it, I was completely unimpressed by it. For conservation at the aviation musuem I worked at they used and had better formulations for museum-level conservation and consolidation - much better than Pecards, and for everyday used jackets, boots, and all the rest I found the RM Williams to be vastly superior.

I wouldn't buy Pecards again, I threw the rest of the can out.
 

MauldinFan

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Not familiar with a Whirlwind Bronco A2 .
Would you please post a few photos and tell us about it ..?
Thanks
WHOOPS, I meant Headwind:
 

B-Man2

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The stuff on the farms comes from the horse supply shop - can't remember the name but it's pretty much the same as the RM Williams stuff - it has neatsfoot in it but it's not pure neatsfoot which is the stuff to stay away from.

I bought a can of Pecards years back when I got into this jacket malarkey after hearing all the hype about it. TBH as soon as I got it, I was completely unimpressed by it. For conservation at the aviation musuem I worked at they used and had better formulations for museum-level conservation and consolidation - much better than Pecards, and for everyday used jackets, boots, and all the rest I found the RM Williams to be vastly superior.

I wouldn't buy Pecards again, I threw the rest of the can out.
Tim
Is this the same stuff that you’re telling us about ?

 

Smithy

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Tim
Is this the same stuff that you’re telling us about ?


Not sure Burt. My old tin looks like this...

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...but I think they've done a redesign and the current stuff should look like this...

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Found a link for you in the States Burt, here you go mate...

https://www.rmwilliams.com/saddle-dressing-no-colour-neatfoot-oil-and-wax-blend.html?lang=en_US

Get this and you'll never use Pecards again ;)
 

Smithy

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Thanks !
Going to order a can today !

You can shout me a beer for putting you onto the good stuff ;)

Honestly though you'll love it. And use it on anything leather. I condition all my boots with it once a year as well.

Paddy Middleton (member here in the old days and mod over on Le Salon du Chapeau) swears by it as well.

Some of the best stuff I've come across.
 
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