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steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end repros
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John Lever
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
It looks like a very attractive business opportunity for repro makers to do specific maker jackets in cow hide.
Looks like the market is certainly there !
It looks like a very attractive business opportunity for repro makers to do specific maker jackets in cow hide.
Looks like the market is certainly there !
Chandler
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
Oh, no doubt, but the impression should not be that this is some new revelation -- it's been brought up in the past, now there is just some pretty solid proof that some of those A-2s you see in the old pics just might be cowhide. And why not? It's a very viable source of leather now, why not then?
The only thing that makes me grin is the head slapping that must be going on with all the horsehide elitists out there!
B-Man2 said:
Oh, no doubt, but the impression should not be that this is some new revelation -- it's been brought up in the past, now there is just some pretty solid proof that some of those A-2s you see in the old pics just might be cowhide. And why not? It's a very viable source of leather now, why not then?
The only thing that makes me grin is the head slapping that must be going on with all the horsehide elitists out there!
Vcruiser
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
If I recall correctly..'if anyone could *prove* that they have in their possession an actual steerhide authentic WW2 A2..then the 1000 pounds would be paid on the spot by a certain individual who claims to be a hide expert'. The key word is of course: prove.
Van
If I recall correctly..'if anyone could *prove* that they have in their possession an actual steerhide authentic WW2 A2..then the 1000 pounds would be paid on the spot by a certain individual who claims to be a hide expert'. The key word is of course: prove.
Van
Vcruiser
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
I don't know what is in the ELC book. However...a document in Eastman's possession was copied and posted on one of the forums years ago. As yet,though..I am unaware of anyone collecting the money offered for presentation of even one made of steerhide. I'm pretty sure the offer still stands.
I don't know what is in the ELC book. However...a document in Eastman's possession was copied and posted on one of the forums years ago. As yet,though..I am unaware of anyone collecting the money offered for presentation of even one made of steerhide. I'm pretty sure the offer still stands.
Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
I would order a couple of A-2's in a heartbeat in that hide. I am coming to the conclusion the look we have been trying to acheive with horse may actually been steer, not just different chemicals no longer legal today in the tanning process, that jacket has that "LOOK"
A few years back Charles at HPA called my office and asked if I wanted in a special run he was having ELC make, The STAR A-2 in a beautiful light seal/dark russet cowhide lot of grain. I regret I passed.
I would order a couple of A-2's in a heartbeat in that hide. I am coming to the conclusion the look we have been trying to acheive with horse may actually been steer, not just different chemicals no longer legal today in the tanning process, that jacket has that "LOOK"
A few years back Charles at HPA called my office and asked if I wanted in a special run he was having ELC make, The STAR A-2 in a beautiful light seal/dark russet cowhide lot of grain. I regret I passed.
Steve27752
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
Yes we were, it was a yahoo group then. And yes we did discuss it. But there is no harm in re visiting the subject and getting fresh opinions.
B-Man2 said:SteveM422a said:B-Man2 said:It certainly would make it easier to acquire steerhide than horsehide for repro manufacturing purposes.
But I find this new revelation a little depressing to think that horsehide, the "Holy Grail" of A2's, may be on equal or less than equal footing with steerhide when discussing WWII era A2 manufacturing and production.
A little like finding out about Santa Claus
I bet there's a bunch of original A2 owners that have got their jackets layed out next to a horsehide repro right now doing some intense comparative analysis work.
What about it Andrew?
These are not 'new' revelations we had this discussion about 10 years ago. These so called revelations are often just re-discovered information.
I'm not sure what discussion your talking about because I wasn't a member of this forum 10 years ago.........but then again.........neither were you
Yes we were, it was a yahoo group then. And yes we did discuss it. But there is no harm in re visiting the subject and getting fresh opinions.
Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
I think the use of cow was acceptable obviously but that doesn't mean for example that all Aero A2s were cowhide. They just made them out of whatever they could get. So no fears if you have a horsehide repro Aero, Monarch or whatever it would still be authentic.
It does however offer a more affordable alternative for authentic reproductions.
I think the use of cow was acceptable obviously but that doesn't mean for example that all Aero A2s were cowhide. They just made them out of whatever they could get. So no fears if you have a horsehide repro Aero, Monarch or whatever it would still be authentic.
It does however offer a more affordable alternative for authentic reproductions.
Chandler
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
Why has "leather" become synonymous with cow or steerhide? Leather is all-encompasing to any hide that is tanned for garment use -- goat, horse, deer, sheep. Let's not perpetuate an odd distinction with the word.
B-Man2 said:
Why has "leather" become synonymous with cow or steerhide? Leather is all-encompasing to any hide that is tanned for garment use -- goat, horse, deer, sheep. Let's not perpetuate an odd distinction with the word.
CBI
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Re: steerhide revelations impact on viability of high end re
I owned a GW Dubow in cow that was really nice.
Sorry, all of the is much ado about nothing. We all knew/know cow was used regularly and that horse and cow (and goat) are all viable repro options. Unless we know 100% that a certain contract was only one type of hide, there are no worries and no needed hand ringing. A cool looking repro looks cool regardless.
It is nice to know for folks involved in the hobby that cow might have been used more regularly. As stated earlier, companies took whatever they could get via government supplies.
I owned a GW Dubow in cow that was really nice.
Sorry, all of the is much ado about nothing. We all knew/know cow was used regularly and that horse and cow (and goat) are all viable repro options. Unless we know 100% that a certain contract was only one type of hide, there are no worries and no needed hand ringing. A cool looking repro looks cool regardless.
It is nice to know for folks involved in the hobby that cow might have been used more regularly. As stated earlier, companies took whatever they could get via government supplies.
