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Size 46 ELC Irvin
- Thread starter Hawkeye
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ausreenactor
Well-Known Member
LOTS of Irvins on offer lately? I would assume the post winter warm up would be a motivator...but demand would
slacken off?
Colour of the shearling on this one looks very dark. I prefer the lighther 'Honey' of the older versions. Are the
'changes' ELC are introducing with the broken finish, war horse purely cost driven? I would assume a smooth
creaseless (the old ELC fashion so widely ridiculed) hide would cost more than one with the personality that
is the preferred fashion now. Same for a darker fleece. A pristine lighter colour as opposed to a dyed over on
with blemishes...
Just a thought..
Couchy
slacken off?
Colour of the shearling on this one looks very dark. I prefer the lighther 'Honey' of the older versions. Are the
'changes' ELC are introducing with the broken finish, war horse purely cost driven? I would assume a smooth
creaseless (the old ELC fashion so widely ridiculed) hide would cost more than one with the personality that
is the preferred fashion now. Same for a darker fleece. A pristine lighter colour as opposed to a dyed over on
with blemishes...
Just a thought..
Couchy
Andrew
Well-Known Member
The more I think about it the more bizarre this situation is. You would think that by now ELC would have almost reached Nirvana with regards nailing the detail of an accurate representation of the Irvin, when instead they appear to be going backwards. I do quite like the colour of this wool and it's not unlike some i've seen, but the surface and the inclusion of collar strap are just wrong. I wonder if it's affecting sales one way or another?
My guess is that for this one to be as widely advertised as it is but still available at a reasonable price says something.
My guess is that for this one to be as widely advertised as it is but still available at a reasonable price says something.
John Lever
Moderator
I have a sample of the new skin for the 42 pattern. It's very dark red with a flat outer.
My advice, if you want a decent jacket by an old one.
My advice, if you want a decent jacket by an old one.
Falcon_52 said:Andrew said:
Andrew -
Is the collar strap really wrong for the 1942 pattern? I thought that it was done away with in 1943 or 1944 - just curious. I don't have as much knowledge as I should on stuff like this.
Thanks,
Noel
The elastic collar strap is quite correct on this 1942 pattern Irvin. The strap, was really a hang over from the 1930s open cockpit era, was phased out from 1943 as Noel says. From 1943 Irvins were only issued to bomber crew and the strap was unnecessary inside an enclosed bomber.
Andrew
Well-Known Member
Yeah sorry Noel, didn't notice the year, only the seams, but as I wrote it I had a lurking suspicion that Andrew would pick me up if wrong!
I still wonder what precedents and justification they are using for the look of this latest incarnation, I suppose it's the dried out old almost suede ones that sometimes surface from attics, but even they have uneven wear and most don't look like that.
I still wonder what precedents and justification they are using for the look of this latest incarnation, I suppose it's the dried out old almost suede ones that sometimes surface from attics, but even they have uneven wear and most don't look like that.
Roughwear said:and of course your jacket which was made c. 1942-3 still has the elastic strap-ideal for the Swordfish's open cockpit.
I reckon it must have been blimmin cold either way Andrew. Later he went from the Atlantic and Swordfish, to the Pacific and Avengers. I wonder if that strap was ever put to it's intended use? I think you once identified this as a Wareings jacket for me, a real shame it's lost the label though.
