None-French made Hartmann jacket ?

[Loulounug]

Hello Forum

I was proposed this "Hartmann" style (or cyclist) jacket from a USA collector

I didn't passed out for the moment because, it may have a chance to be from the 40'ies.
Here is my little thinking about (and looking at Pilot clues when asking what a real Hartmann jacket was) :
What I like :
- Leather itself, dark brown as the few jackets whe can see
- All zippers matchs to the jacket, no modifications of it
- Collar is correct
- Size 36 (100cm chest)
- Pocket flaps are from a common pattern
- And well...For the shoulder board loop and buttons, it has a unique way presented (not the sewed leather and button) with a screwback button and one cloth loop
You will find the exact system on the germans overcoats from the 1935-1945 period.


What i'm septical :
- Original 40's RiRi zips ?
- No pocket buttons (what i'm thinking would be a foreign made jacket)
- Luftwaffe Turkey sewed in

Overcoat example :

Jacket itself :

Any comment apreciated
Louis.

 

[Saint-ex]

@Pilot is the man to help !

 

[Pilot]

@Pilot is the man to help !

Sure I can help…
The only legit item is the officer breast eagle.
( how battered it is compared to the jackets condition )
The shoulder boards are at best GDR Artillery, at worse repro Ari …the zips are clearly SWISS RiRi from the 1980s
The jacket itself is an older US WINGS or other repro maker … repro jacket.
The front buckle is a big joke..
The so called collector is either an ignorant or a cheater…
Sorry.

 

[Loulounug]

Well at least it has been flagged and statued

I was too focused on those shoulder boards
Many thanks Pilot

 

[Pilot]

Well at least it has been flagged and statued

I was too focused on those shoulder boards
Many thanks Pilot

Thankyou/welcome, just buy some docs on the WWII German military insignas and rank pipings… and Luftwaffe gear in general ( plus pilot and flight crew equipment ) surely it will save you a lot of $$$ and headaches.

 

[Loulounug]

Thankyou/welcome, just buy some docs on the WWII German military insignas and rank pipings… and Luftwaffe gear in general ( plus pilot and flight crew equipment ) surely it will save you a lot of $$$ and headaches.

No worries, I didn't buy anything before a clear advice of a forum or a well know collector.

I have documentation about the Heer/Luft/SS gear (as I have invested in a few goods items, but good ones) but well the "civil" side of the 40ies is clearly not learned from my side

Even if it's not the subject of the forum (and topic) here is a little sneacky peak of the collection (in spoiler, you need to click on it)

Spoiler

Welp at least, Pilot, I'll work to get a Hartmann from you'r
Thanks again