Mystery jacket

[Anonymous]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Flying- ... 4abc525cd8 Willis and Geiger? pockets to big for an original, but the old Talon that looks original to the jacket.

 

[sealbeachbum]

I think the pockets look so big because the jacket's so tiny. Did you see the measurements? Must be a 36 or 38.

 

[jschare]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Flying-Bomber-Leather-Jacket-A-2-/320987094232?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abc525cd8 Willis and Geiger?

I don't think it's a Willis & Geiger because of the hanger tab. W&G always used a loop, I believe.

 

[Anonymous]

it's a Cable 23382 and I just bought it
It will be produced by BK

thanks for bringing this up, I was looking for a cable for ages

 

[Roughwear]

Sorry to disappoint you Platon, but this is not a Cable. It's a smallish Poughkeespie. It has the large ring snaps, typical Poughkeepsie leather, which resembles goatskin in places yet is hh, which has been stitched with olive green thread. The pockets are very similar to Cable's, but they are still typical Poughkeepie. The knits are replacements.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's a PK because of the epaulet stitch pattern, which looks more cable than pk
and because the hanger is wider on the PKs and is installed with boxy X-Box stitches and not rectangular and longer like this one.

the pocket reinforcement stitching is the same in both contracts

Where do you base your opinion that it's a PK? besides the OD thread ? (Cables didn't have OD?)
I am curious because if it's a PK I don't want it

 

[Roughwear]

It's most certainly a Poughkeepsie. Cables never had large ring snaps or greenish thread, but Poughkeepsies did. You do see differences between Poughkeepsie A2s as it was a very large contract. this one has the typical epaulets, not those with elongated box stitching typical of Cable. Moreover Cable A2s were usually a lighter russet than this one. I have owned many and seen many more Platon.

 

[Anonymous]

Then perhaps I should show you 2 that you have not seen.
BOTH have the large ring type snaps, (I can't tell about the thread)
BOTH have the same epaulet stitching like the ebay jacket, and not elongated like the other Cable contracts, and
BOTH are darker like this one. I can tell one was a depot re-dye but the other one looks like originally dark.


Please stand by for the photos

 

[Roughwear]

Then perhaps I should show you 2 that you have not seen.
BOTH have the large ring type snaps, (I can't tell about the thread)

Cables had either nipple snaps or medium sized ring snaps-never large ring snaps.

BOTH have the same epaulet stitching like the ebay jacket, and not elongated like the other Cable contracts, and
BOTH are darker like this one. I can tell one was a depot re-dye but the other one looks like originally dark.

You must have found a unique Cable or a miss tagged jacket form another maker then. I have seen a few where the wrong label was sewn when they were refurbished or by a later owner who knew nothing about contracts.


Please stand by for the photos

The one you have bought is NOT a Cable, but a Poughkeepsie.

 

[Anonymous]

Picture no 1

Notice the snaps

(I can try a better scan if you don't see well)

 

[Persimmon]

Then perhaps I should show you 2 that you have not seen.
BOTH have the large ring type snaps, (I can't tell about the thread)

Cables had either nipple snaps or medium sized ring snaps-never large ring snaps.

BOTH have the same epaulet stitching like the ebay jacket, and not elongated like the other Cable contracts, and
BOTH are darker like this one. I can tell one was a depot re-dye but the other one looks like originally dark.

You must have found a unique Cable or a miss tagged jacket form another maker then. I have seen a few where the wrong label was sewn when they were refurbished or by a later owner who knew nothing about contracts.


Please stand by for the photos

The one you have bought is NOT a Cable, but a Poughkeepsie.

We seek it here, we seek it there,
Those Greeks seek it everywhere.
Is it in heaven? — Is it in hell ?
That damned, elusive Pimpernel ..oops sorry Poughkeepsie.. oops sorry Cable

 

[Roughwear]

Platon, these pics are of a refurbished Poughkeepsie with the wrong label attached. I'll post some pics of a Poughkeepsie compared with a Cable in a few minutes.

 

[Anonymous]

see the second jacket here

see the big ring type snaps?

 

[Anonymous]

and what is the jacket in the second pic?
poughkeepsie too?
are you calling our Japanese friends ignorants?


Do you see that the label is stitched with OD thread?

 

[Anonymous]

I love these friendly debates!!!

 

[Roughwear]

I agree this is a Cable. Some of the first contract jackets had the large ring snaps, although many had nipple snaps. However the Ebay jacket is not a Cable.

 

[Persimmon]

I love these friendly debates!!!

Yep.
I betting on Eastman getting the blame somewhere on the line here
And through in VAT for good measure !!

 

[Anonymous]

I agree this is a Cable. Some of the first contract jackets had the large ring snaps, although many had nipple snaps. However the Ebay jacket is not a Cable.

I have a small doubt about the ebay jacket not being a cable. There is a small detail apparent in cables that the ebay jacket is missing.

unfortunately I don't have any more photos of cable 23382

 

[Anonymous]

OK did a little more research and now don't have the small doubt anymore.

I am aware that the23382 had the longer stitch epaulets like ELC does it and as per your original, but the japanese owned jackets in these photos have the same details with the ebay jacket...

 

[Peter Graham]

are you calling our Japanese friends ignorants?

They don't know everything Platon. Never trust a book 100%. Check page 342 of 'Suit up !' Notice anything wrong ?