Mouton.....

[Jeff M]

Question.
How does current mouton differ from "vintage" mouton ?
Is the "vintage style" mouton no longer available..and if not, why not?
If it is..is it difficult to come by, and if so, why is that?

 

[Dr H]

Question.
How does current mouton differ from "vintage" mouton ?
Is the "vintage style" mouton no longer available..and if not, why not?
If it is..is it difficult to come by, and if so, why is that?

Good question Jeff, I occasionally ponder the same in connection with capeskin (have then gone extinct?!) :roll:

 

[Falcon_52]

I'm sure that Platon will some good information here as he has been sourcing mouton for Bill Kelso's Navy jackets and has probably rejected many samples.

Speaking on my limited experience, most of the modern mouton doesn't have quite the right look and feel; starts too wavy/curly out of the box. Interestingly, the mouton inside the sleeve ends of my 2-year old Lost Worlds CHP jackets looks and feels right. It seems like they found a good source for their mouton.

Noel

 

[Jeff M]

Question.
How does current mouton differ from "vintage" mouton ?
Is the "vintage style" mouton no longer available..and if not, why not?
If it is..is it difficult to come by, and if so, why is that?

Good question Jeff, I occasionally ponder the same in connection with capeskin (have then gone extinct?!) :roll:

Must be the new generation of lambs.
Kids these days are either too thin skinned...or too thick.

 

[bseal]

:lol:

 

[CBI]

its pretty easy to find old mouton via web search or eBay - pretty cheaply really. One trick is to buy a vintage mouton/fur women's jacket of which I have seen many for relatively little $. There are always portions of the jacket that you can use that are still pretty solid. I have done this before and there are shades out there that match the needs for military jackets. Admittedly, I have not looked in a while.

 

[Anonymous]

I have seen many mouton samples.
Most of them were very good. They were rejected because wrong color, or too short hair.
Otherwise they were perfect. Compared them also with the vintage mouton used by GW.
There was no visible difference.

 

[Anonymous]

its pretty easy to find old mouton via web search or eBay - pretty cheaply really. One trick is to buy a vintage mouton/fur women's jacket of which I have seen many for relatively little $. There are always portions of the jacket that you can use that are still pretty solid. I have done this before and there are shades out there that match the needs for military jackets. Admittedly, I have not looked in a while.

this is very risky and one has to be ready for big disappointments and loss of money if he goes down that road

 

[CBI]

it has always worked for me, if the photos are good, I really don't see much of a problem. I last purchased some great vintage mouton on etsy (not eBay - etsy) for $10 for some large pieces and it was great stuff.

 

[airfrogusmc]

With old mouton they used different techniques that are no longer used anyway thats what John C told me. The difference is in many cases striking though. Old mouton when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than newer mouton. Also it stays straight and soft much longer than modern mouton. You can see this on 60s mouton when compared to mouton from the 1930s and 40s even.

 

[Anonymous]

With old mouton they used different techniques that are no longer used anyway thats what John C told me. The difference is in many cases striking though. Old mouton when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than newer mouton. Also it stays straight and soft much longer than modern mouton. You can see this on 60s mouton when compared to mouton from the 1930s and 40s even.

If you like I can send you a small piece sample of modern mouton that when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than the vintage mouton you have on your jacket. The same mouton is also much softer than yours and with straighter hair.

This is a matter of how the mouton was treated and believe me the techniques are still available.

 

[airfrogusmc]

With old mouton they used different techniques that are no longer used anyway thats what John C told me. The difference is in many cases striking though. Old mouton when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than newer mouton. Also it stays straight and soft much longer than modern mouton. You can see this on 60s mouton when compared to mouton from the 1930s and 40s even.

If you like I can send you a small piece sample of modern mouton that when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than the vintage mouton you have on your jacket. The same mouton is also much softer than yours and with straighter hair.

This is a matter of how the mouton was treated and believe me the techniques are still available.

Lets see how it ages....
John says he has never seen modern mouton that compares with older vintage mouton. I haven't either and I haven't seen as much as he has. The problem is if you look at the stuff Eastman and many of the repro makes use it reminds me of the mouton from the mid late 1960s is with time it gets rough and real matted. Look at Marin Lane or Star D model 7823s.

 

[airfrogusmc]

With old mouton they used different techniques that are no longer used anyway thats what John C told me. The difference is in many cases striking though. Old mouton when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than newer mouton. Also it stays straight and soft much longer than modern mouton. You can see this on 60s mouton when compared to mouton from the 1930s and 40s even.

If you like I can send you a small piece sample of modern mouton that when brushed one way to the other shows a marked and bigger difference in light and dark than the vintage mouton you have on your jacket. The same mouton is also much softer than yours and with straighter hair.

This is a matter of how the mouton was treated and believe me the techniques are still available.

Lets see how it ages....
John says he has never seen modern mouton that compares with older vintage mouton. I haven't either and I haven't seen as much as he has. The problem is if you look at the stuff Eastman and many of the repro makes use it reminds me of the mouton from the mid late 1960s is with time it gets rough and real matted. Look at Marin Lane or Star D model 7823s.

I also wanted to say how happy I am with BKs W&G M 422. I all fairness I have not seen BKs mouton but every other modern mouton I've seen starts out soft but gets matted quickly and in some cases gets rough and after some time looks or feels nothing like original vintage mouton.

 

[Anonymous]

Available now

 

[Marv]

Available now

Platon, does this mean you have the mouton stock in now or is this just for reference as to the colour mouton you will be able to supply.

 

[Anonymous]

We got a sample batch in the correct colors which is enough for a few jackets.
The main problem was to get the color matched correctly.
Now that we fixed the color, ordered a bigger quantity of moutons that will hopefully be delivered before the sample batch runs out.

 

[Marv]

We got a sample batch in the correct colors which is enough for a few jackets.
The main problem was to get the color matched correctly.
Now that we fixed the color, ordered a bigger quantity of moutons that will hopefully be delivered before the sample batch runs out.

I guess that depends on how many jackets orders you have already got waiting at present for the mouton to be added as to how long the sample batch lasts.

 

[Anonymous]

less than a handful

 

[m444uk]

Eastman have been making USN jackets for years and never got the mouton right. I'm impressed with BK's attention to detail.
I use a colour corrected monitor so it's also great the photography has improved too !

 

[Anonymous]

To be fair, I think that Eastman's mouton currently shown in the photos of his G-1 and M422A looks correct.
What don't you like about it?
(Have you seen Aero's? it's terrible).