M422, M422a and AN-J-3 contract value ,award /completion dates

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Now we are getting somewhere.
Taking the Arnoff and Monarch orders out of the equasion leaves the spending listed above at $187000, for arguments sake lets assume there were two other contacts totalling $63000, we know there were two different styles/spec so that's reasonable.
Judging by A-2 prices at the time I'd guess $10 per jacket, that makes 25000 jackets, still a lot more than I expected.
25000 is the same number as the Spiewak A-2 contract.
Have I seen as many Spiewak A-2s as I've seen AN-J-3s? No, and nowhere near but, to be fair, I haven't been looking.
Someone like Andrew might know how often/regularily one of these shows up.
I'm assuming not all that often, if so it's reasonable to assume that from a starting number of 25000 in 1943, it's hardly suprising there are so few AN-J-3s still around 75 years later

EDITED THE NEXT DAY These figures should be ignored now that the $187K contract has been idenified as an AN-J-3A

 

[Roughwear]

Just to make it clear the Monarch and Arnoff contracts were not for AN-J-3 jackets but AN-J-3A jackets. Here is a label from the Monarch contract which clearly shows it was an AN-J-3A.

 

[Carl]

Just to make it clear the Monarch and Arnoff contracts were not for AN-J-3 jackets but AN-J-3A jackets. Here is a label from the Monarch contract which clearly shows it was an AN-J-3A.

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Ill amend that then ! I just copied the contract number jacket type from the previous thread . Possibly i got it wrong !! Only human

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Carl

I think you've edited the wrong ones

 

[Carl]

Carl

I think you've edited the wrong ones

Have i ??

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Have i ??

You've not added the "A" to the Arnoff nor the Monarch
You have, however added an "A" to the $187K un-named contract but no mentiom was made of that contract being for an AN-J-3A
The general consensus was that the "A" should only have been added to both the Arnoff and the Monarch

 

[Roughwear]

ARNOFF AN-J-3A N288xsa 24248 awarded 6/44 completed 11/44 contract value $62k

BLOCK HL M422a NXS 5134 5/42 8/42 $820k

CHURCH EDMUND M422A NXS5133 5/42 11/42 ( estimated) $356k


FRIED OSTERMAN M422A NOS1406 3/42 1/43 (estimated) $812k

FRIED OSTERMAN M422a NOS1405 3/42 7/44 $1729K


GORDON FERGUSON M422a NOS 88860 6/41 1/42 $107K

GORDON FERGUSON M422a NOS 416 3/42 5/42 ( ?) $1270K



MONARCH M422 NOS 79633 12/40 2/41 $54K


MONARCH AN-J-3A N288S 20570 2/44 8/44 $228K

MONARCH AN-J-3A 288XSA 28665 1/45 5/45 $187K


WILLIS GEIGER M422a NOS 290 3/42 10/43 $3140K

WILLIS GEIGER AN6552 N288S 28628 1/45 5/45 $188K

WILLIS GEIGER AN6552 N288S 32357 5/45 10/45 $355K

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

So the $187K contract was also a Monarch AN-J-3A? I assume we are back at the drawing board?
No AN-J-3 contract over the $50,000 mark? Two versions, 5000 piece order maximum for each, probably less? So how many of each?
This is sounding closer to my (long term) original thinking but still on the high side numerically.

 

[Roughwear]

Have you ever seen an AN-J-3 jacket with a US government contract label in it Ken?

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

Have you ever seen an AN-J-3 jacket with a US government contract label in it Ken?

Not once, however the large majority of those with missing labels (Say a dozen) had military label size and shape stitch holes marks in the lining.

 

[Carl]

ARNOFF AN-J-3A N288xsa 24248 awarded 6/44 completed 11/44 contract value $62k

BLOCK HL M422a NXS 5134 5/42 8/42 $820k

CHURCH EDMUND M422A NXS5133 5/42 11/42 ( estimated) $356k


FRIED OSTERMAN M422A NOS1406 3/42 1/43 (estimated) $812k

FRIED OSTERMAN M422a NOS1405 3/42 7/44 $1729K


GORDON FERGUSON M422a NOS 88860 6/41 1/42 $107K

GORDON FERGUSON M422a NOS 416 3/42 5/42 ( ?) $1270K



MONARCH M422 NOS 79633 12/40 2/41 $54K


MONARCH AN-J-3A N288S 20570 2/44 8/44 $228K

MONARCH AN-J-3A 288XSA 28665 1/45 5/45 $187K


WILLIS GEIGER M422a NOS 290 3/42 10/43 $3140K

WILLIS GEIGER AN6552 N288S 28628 1/45 5/45 $188K

WILLIS GEIGER AN6552 N288S 32357 5/45 10/45 $355K

Had i copied it down incorrectly ?
Dohhh !!! i had that many numbersand makers written down in front of me i mighg have guessed id balls it up !
Andrew is this now correct according to the list in the thread about G1's ?
If so, thankyou for ammending . I wouldn't have had time to sort it out now ,until early next week .

 

[Stony]

No M-422 info?

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

I've been trying to put the rarity of the AN-J-3 into some perspective...if I'm honest I've been trying for decades:>).... I think it's the mystery more than anything that drives me, I've never worn one or kept one for myself
If I compare the AN-J-3 to the 1938 & 1940 Aero Beacon Type A-2 contracts, which together totalled of 5000.
We've also been looking for these two A-2s "forever", we've managed to get one of each which are in our showroom archive display, we've been outbid on maybe another 3 or 4, are aware of maybe a similar number in collections but I've handled considerably more AN-J-3s than I've even heard of from the two Aero contracts put together.
Theoretically that would suggest there would have been more AN-J-3s (than 5000) made in 1943./44

 

[Roughwear]

All the AN-J-3s I have seen have either had a civi label in them or no label at all. I agree Ken. There must have been a significant number made by several makers and certainly more than 5000.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

DAMN!... Thought I had at least a blurry pic of an original contact label... Interesting info nonetheless, and finally solved the mystery for me. Thanks Ken.

Technonut2112

Holly has found these below............She has 24 shots in a dropbox, if you (or anyone else) wants to see anything in particular let me know
Someone here will be able to ID the origins of the doctored label I'm sure, not sure why that's such a small a file?

 

[Roughwear]

It looks like it could have started life an Aero A-3 trouser label.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

I can't speak for the rest of you folk, but I find the "discovering the AN-J-3" subject a far more interesting one than the Goldsmith A-2. Sacrilege? Hopefully not.

 

[Ken at Aero Leather]

It looks like it could have started life an Aero A-3 trouser label.

Sounds logical we had lots of scrap trousers at the time, thanks Andrew

 

[Dr H]

I can't speak for the rest of you folk, but I find the "discovering the AN-J-3" subject a far more interesting one than the Goldsmith A-2. Sacrilege? Hopefully not.

I’d like to get to the bottom of why the labels were so diligently removed (and destroyed?) without any survivors turning up (or mistakes having been made).
Odd.

 

[Roughwear]

Presumably because the US Materiel Division decided not to issue the AN-J-3.