airfrogusmc
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My 55s are US made and also extremely dark. Probably the darkest of all the LVCs I have and I have a few pairs. Some of the coolest denim I have is the stuff thats on my 333s and my 209 coveralls.
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LVC 501s
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I suppose that IF LVC was using 100 year old machines, they'd probably advertise that fact.... just like JCrew has. Surely that would be a selling point for them as well. I haven't looked into japanese LVC, what retailers would we look to first for them? I assume they're even more expensive than the US made ones, right?
Doug C
Doug C
Cobblers161
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Try this http://item.rakuten.co.jp/hinoya/c/0000000178/ Good ole Hinoya.
Pretty much the same price depending on the exchange rate. I had a pair of 47's from Japan and they looked great, a deeper indigo and beautiful fading.
Pretty much the same price depending on the exchange rate. I had a pair of 47's from Japan and they looked great, a deeper indigo and beautiful fading.
airfrogusmc
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Heres a pair of US made 47s. The cut of the 47s is to trim as compared to originals.Cobblers161 said:
stanier
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Airfrog, you touch on a very good point there; how does the cut of Japanese LVC's compare with US made LVC's? I know my 44's (Japan LVC) are very high waisted, certainly compared to my US 37's though I can't compare to US made 44's.
I'm satisfied with the US made 47's I have, but I wish LVC would make a 1955 cut jean with leather patch and single sided red tab, which I believe would make them a 1951 - 1953 model? (The zip on 54's isn't my cup of tea)
Now if they made those, with meticulous attention to detail, in a US (Levis owned) facility, with US workers from US sourced "weave facsimile" denim I, for one, would pay considerably more than the current sort of prices for a pair.
In fact the same criteria applied to any vintage Levis repro (prior to 1955 (inclusive)) would be tempting my wallet on a regular basis!
I'm satisfied with the US made 47's I have, but I wish LVC would make a 1955 cut jean with leather patch and single sided red tab, which I believe would make them a 1951 - 1953 model? (The zip on 54's isn't my cup of tea)
Now if they made those, with meticulous attention to detail, in a US (Levis owned) facility, with US workers from US sourced "weave facsimile" denim I, for one, would pay considerably more than the current sort of prices for a pair.
In fact the same criteria applied to any vintage Levis repro (prior to 1955 (inclusive)) would be tempting my wallet on a regular basis!
cobblers161 wrote :
Yes, that's the same experience I've had with my 1933s... I thought they'd be pretty baggy but they're alot less so than I expected. I got them in Feb '07 but were produced in '06 (F3 06). In fact I think the cut is identical to my 1937s, which were produced for Spring '07 (SE 07).
BTW, I checked out the 501/STF at Sears today and here's what I found. There were two kind, one set that were made in the dominican republic that didn't look dark enough, like not enough indigo was used, had a somewhat grey cast to 'em. Then there were the ones made in Mexico which had an almost black cast to them, didn't seem blue enough. Again both raw unwashed, kind of confusing and a crap shoot on how they'd age.
Doug C
Yes, that's the same experience I've had with my 1933s... I thought they'd be pretty baggy but they're alot less so than I expected. I got them in Feb '07 but were produced in '06 (F3 06). In fact I think the cut is identical to my 1937s, which were produced for Spring '07 (SE 07).
BTW, I checked out the 501/STF at Sears today and here's what I found. There were two kind, one set that were made in the dominican republic that didn't look dark enough, like not enough indigo was used, had a somewhat grey cast to 'em. Then there were the ones made in Mexico which had an almost black cast to them, didn't seem blue enough. Again both raw unwashed, kind of confusing and a crap shoot on how they'd age.
Doug C
airfrogusmc
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My early 555 1933 501s are very full in both the seat and the thighs. I think that LVC from about 2002- 2006 were not paying very close attention to detail. The 20 201s from a few years back had a double needle arcuate. Not like the 555 20s 201s I have or the ones from last year which were also correct.
Paul T the Levis guru has said the ones he's seen from 08 have some of the best most arcurate denim he's seen in a while from LVC. Some of the Japanese LVC aren't perfect either which can be frustrating. I mean Levis has all the original patterns back to what 1906. They have access to the company that made the denim and raw LVC according to Paul is still being made in the US. I think he posted its somewhere in California.
Paul T the Levis guru has said the ones he's seen from 08 have some of the best most arcurate denim he's seen in a while from LVC. Some of the Japanese LVC aren't perfect either which can be frustrating. I mean Levis has all the original patterns back to what 1906. They have access to the company that made the denim and raw LVC according to Paul is still being made in the US. I think he posted its somewhere in California.
airfrogusmc
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stanier said:
I had a pair of 44s and they were cut very similar to my 55s.
I wish the Japanese made larger sizes
airfrogusmc
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Hey Grant,
38 waist especially with the 47s for US 47s. Measure them when you get a chance.
Heres a like to an interesting link to a post that Paul T posted over at sufu about LVC.
# 2591
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/sh ... 4&page=260
38 waist especially with the 47s for US 47s. Measure them when you get a chance.
Heres a like to an interesting link to a post that Paul T posted over at sufu about LVC.
# 2591
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/sh ... 4&page=260
stanier
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I buy 38" waist from Japan. The only sizing issue I have, which is minor, is I would usually buy 34" leg, but from Japan, only 36" seems to be available on a 38" waist. I just put an extra turn up in!
Hi Grant, do you have access to a pair of US 47's to compare the cut with? I'd be keen to know if the Japan 47's are cut the same or maybe a touch fuller?
Cheers gents
Hi Grant, do you have access to a pair of US 47's to compare the cut with? I'd be keen to know if the Japan 47's are cut the same or maybe a touch fuller?
Cheers gents
Cobblers161
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Tha Japan 47's I had were the same cut as the US.
Grant
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Hi Stanier,
I don't own any of the current US LVC '47's but compared to ones from over five years ago the LVC Japan '47's are cut larger in the waist and fuller through the seat and legs. The denim is also a darker indigo and heftier in weight than the US made '47's. All in all the US made '47's have a more modern trim fit compared to the LVC Japan. I really dig them but afraid I would they would never shrink down to my waist size... major bummer.
I don't own any of the current US LVC '47's but compared to ones from over five years ago the LVC Japan '47's are cut larger in the waist and fuller through the seat and legs. The denim is also a darker indigo and heftier in weight than the US made '47's. All in all the US made '47's have a more modern trim fit compared to the LVC Japan. I really dig them but afraid I would they would never shrink down to my waist size... major bummer.
Cobblers161
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Sorry man but the Japan 47's I had were as slim as the US made, I'd been hoping for something akin to the originals but no joy. Better denim, better colour but inch for inch same shape and too slim jim.
Have a look on Hinoyas pages for the measurements, they are usually spot on.
Have a look on Hinoyas pages for the measurements, they are usually spot on.
Grant
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Too bad you didn't get ahold of a pair of these! They really aren't anything like the US made ones I own (also NOS from about five years ago). Maybe if I pack on a few pounds later in life I'll get to wear them.
Maybe the current LVC Japan '47's are cut slimmer? Who knows!?!
On another note, the LVC Japan '44 501's from about six years ago are also made from that same beautiful dark heavy weight denim.
Maybe the current LVC Japan '47's are cut slimmer? Who knows!?!
On another note, the LVC Japan '44 501's from about six years ago are also made from that same beautiful dark heavy weight denim.
airfrogusmc
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Grant said:
Grant how large do they measure? If they measure 38 they'll work.
airfrogusmc
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37...They might work. How much?
Grant
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Hi Allen,
If you normally take a 38" waist I doubt these would fit after allowing for shrinkage. Asking $200 shipped to Chicago. FYI, they're going for around $250 shipped from Japan. One of these days we have to get you in a pair of Lee Japan denim - once you experience them you'll never go back to LVC US stuff!
Here's a lousy photo taken from my camera/phone.
If you normally take a 38" waist I doubt these would fit after allowing for shrinkage. Asking $200 shipped to Chicago. FYI, they're going for around $250 shipped from Japan. One of these days we have to get you in a pair of Lee Japan denim - once you experience them you'll never go back to LVC US stuff!
Here's a lousy photo taken from my camera/phone.
