airfrogusmc
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You should get a good $$$ on e-bay...Maybe a couple of jackets from JC?
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LVC 501s
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Doug C said:
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joeson said:
Levis spells it SELVAGE...
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Selvage denim (also called selvedge denim) is a type of denim which forms a clean natural edge that does not unravel. It is commonly presented in the unwashed or raw state. Typically, the selvage edges will be located along the out-seam of the pants, making it visible when cuffs are worn. Although selvage denim is not completely synonymous with unwashed denim, the presence of selvage typically implies that the denim used is a higher quality.
The word "selvage" comes from the phrase "self-edge", the natural edge of a roll of fabric. In this case, denim made on old-style shuttle looms. These looms weave fabric with one continuous cross thread (the weft) that is passed back and forth all the way down the length of the bolt. As the weft loops back into the edge of the denim it creates this “self-edge” or Selvage. Selvage is desirable because the edge can’t fray like lower grade denims that have separate wefts which leave an open edge that must be stitched. Shuttle looming is a more time-consuming weaving process that produces denim of a tighter weave resulting in a heavier weight fabric that lasts.
Shuttle looms weave a more narrow piece of fabric, and thus a longer piece of fabric is required to make a pair of jeans (approximately 3 yards). To maximize yield, traditional jean makers use the fabric all the way to the selvage edge. When the cuff is turned up the two selvage edges, where the denim is sewn together, can be seen. The selvage edge is usually stitched with colored thread: green, white, brown, yellow, and red (red is the most common). Fabric mills used these colors to differentiate between fabrics.
Most selvage jeans today are dyed with synthetic indigo, but natural indigo dye is available in smaller niche denim labels such as Evisu. Though they are supposed to have the same chemical makeup, there are more impurities in the natural indigo dye. Loop dying machines feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out. The dye is allowed to oxidize before the next dip. Multiple dips create a deep dark indigo blue.
In response to increased demand for jeans in the 1950's, American denim manufacturers replaced the old shuttle style looms with modern projectile looms. The new looms produced fabric faster and wider (60-inches or wider), yet lighter and less durable. Synthetic dyeing techniques along with post-dye treatments were introduced to control shrink and twist.
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All the best jeff
The word "selvage" comes from the phrase "self-edge", the natural edge of a roll of fabric. In this case, denim made on old-style shuttle looms. These looms weave fabric with one continuous cross thread (the weft) that is passed back and forth all the way down the length of the bolt. As the weft loops back into the edge of the denim it creates this “self-edge” or Selvage. Selvage is desirable because the edge can’t fray like lower grade denims that have separate wefts which leave an open edge that must be stitched. Shuttle looming is a more time-consuming weaving process that produces denim of a tighter weave resulting in a heavier weight fabric that lasts.
Shuttle looms weave a more narrow piece of fabric, and thus a longer piece of fabric is required to make a pair of jeans (approximately 3 yards). To maximize yield, traditional jean makers use the fabric all the way to the selvage edge. When the cuff is turned up the two selvage edges, where the denim is sewn together, can be seen. The selvage edge is usually stitched with colored thread: green, white, brown, yellow, and red (red is the most common). Fabric mills used these colors to differentiate between fabrics.
Most selvage jeans today are dyed with synthetic indigo, but natural indigo dye is available in smaller niche denim labels such as Evisu. Though they are supposed to have the same chemical makeup, there are more impurities in the natural indigo dye. Loop dying machines feed a rope of cotton yarn through vats of indigo dye and then back out. The dye is allowed to oxidize before the next dip. Multiple dips create a deep dark indigo blue.
In response to increased demand for jeans in the 1950's, American denim manufacturers replaced the old shuttle style looms with modern projectile looms. The new looms produced fabric faster and wider (60-inches or wider), yet lighter and less durable. Synthetic dyeing techniques along with post-dye treatments were introduced to control shrink and twist.
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All the best jeff
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Hi guys I have listed the Levis on ebay if you want to follow the action here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0327206457
My selling name is Brookthebird ,there lies another story in that name !
Thanks for all your help again ,Best regards Jeff
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0327206457
My selling name is Brookthebird ,there lies another story in that name !
Thanks for all your help again ,Best regards Jeff
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Re selling on ebay my best score was with a pocket watch I purchased at a tag sale ,I paid $70.00 and got back $5000.00 .I study every subject because I know even dealers do not know everything on every subject and they let things go cheap .
All the best jeff .
All the best jeff .
I always wondered why LVC didn't make a 1936 501 - it presumeably would feature exposed pocket rivets and a red tab on the pocket (among other interesting details like cinch and crotch rivet). They're kind of my dream item that LVC could do. I just noticed though that Levis have done this combo on the "542 Reb Tab" jean. All four of those detail are present as well as a combo of gold and lemon stitching too and they're not all weird "twisted/engineered" like some of the other stuff. Even the cinch buckle is really authentic looking (rusty copper). They look pretty nice and are dirt cheap, I'm not sure but I suspect they're made of an inferior denim and is most likely not a selvage either, right? Still they're kind of tempting. Anyone have 'em? comments?
Doug C
Doug C
airfrogusmc
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Looks like double needle on the arcuates
yea I know, but I could fix that
... also they have the leather-like tag, but still might do until LVC decides it's time. I don't get why they've never done the '36 when other years have been repeated (almost?) continually. I mean you could argue that '36 was a historically important moment in the 501 history with the exposed rivets and red tab on the same pair of jeans. Maybe there's no proof to point to it? I wonder if Lynn Downey would verify it or not.Doug C
airfrogusmc
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Doug C said:yea I know, but I could fix that
Doug C
Oh Levis has proof (records).
E-mail her shes usually good about getting back.
I may just do that, though it wouldn't make much difference I guess unless she has some really stong influence on what LVC decides to produce, I'm sure she has imput from a historical stand point but you gotta figure there has to be some reason they haven't produced these in 13 years.
Doug C
Doug C
stanier
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Interesting question Doug.
Would Levis see covered rivets and the red tab as being officially introduced at the same time?
I'm sure that even if that was the case in reality there would have been transition jeans, but I suppose it maybe how they interpret the timing of the changes.
If memory serves, a couple of years ago LVC did a pre-faded '33 jean I think called tow rope and on a pair I saw they had the red tab so they might be worth a look if you could find them.
I know what you mean about maybe some more unusual models; I wish they'd do a '55 cut but with leather patch and single side red tab, which strikes me might be rather popular, but that's probably just me.
Would Levis see covered rivets and the red tab as being officially introduced at the same time?
I'm sure that even if that was the case in reality there would have been transition jeans, but I suppose it maybe how they interpret the timing of the changes.
If memory serves, a couple of years ago LVC did a pre-faded '33 jean I think called tow rope and on a pair I saw they had the red tab so they might be worth a look if you could find them.
I know what you mean about maybe some more unusual models; I wish they'd do a '55 cut but with leather patch and single side red tab, which strikes me might be rather popular, but that's probably just me.
hmm, well if those '33s that you remember did indeed have a red tab it would have been in error (though I guess that wouldn't surprise anyone regarding LVC) or a fake. According to the Levistrauss.com history download page 1936 was the first year to feature a red tab on the back pocket. Then the next year, 1937 is said to be the first year that the rivets on the back pockets are covered up. So that written history implies that the 1936 501 had both a red tab and exposed rivets. Why haven't they reproduced that year is what puzzles me.
http://www.levistrauss.com/Downloads/hi ... _jeans.pdf
ps- actually, if this history is accurate - a 1936 pair would also include suspender buttons (exposed rivets, red tab, suspender buttons).
Doug C
http://www.levistrauss.com/Downloads/hi ... _jeans.pdf
ps- actually, if this history is accurate - a 1936 pair would also include suspender buttons (exposed rivets, red tab, suspender buttons).
Doug C
airfrogusmc
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I just got a look at the fall winter 09 european LVC line up and it looks GREAT.
Theres a 1920s sack coat, a pair of 1920s 66 overalls, 1954 501s and 1915 501s. A 1912 sweater coat...
Theres a 1920s sack coat, a pair of 1920s 66 overalls, 1954 501s and 1915 501s. A 1912 sweater coat...
I got my second hand '44s and '55s the other day and they're great. They're not raw denim but otherwise I couldn't be happier with them. Got 'em both for less than one pair of new raws, so that's a positive in my book. The '44s have about 1 rinse or wash and are (despite being made in '99) still real dark and a little starchy and stiff - they seem newish. The '55s I'm guessing 1 rinse and 2 washes with plenty of wear in between. I love the '44's cut and heavier denim weight than I'm used to on my other LVC jeans. They are a loose cut like I favor but feel very substantial because of the weight, much different than my '33 & '37 models. The '55s I like alot too but I have to admit that I find them a little boreing compared to all the other ones... I guess it's a combo of the paper tag and un-imaginative arcuates. The cut is kind of cool I guess, I mean they're a slightly loose cut but with a bit of a taper past the knees. The leather-like (paper) tag was halfway torn off and I reattached it today with gold "jeans thread" - but my question is this - is there any product that'll keep the paper tag subtle, how about a wax or something? I just don't want it to decentigrate quickly if it can be helped.
Doug C
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stanier
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I know what you mean Doug, the '44's are great and the paper patch on the 55's certainly for me takes something away from them.
As I said earlier, I'd love LVC to do the '55 with leather patch, the '51 - '53?
On another topic, I recently got a pair of LVC Japan '47's and am very pleased with them. Whilst not as full cut as '55's they measure about 39" in the waist, and I bought 38" and the detailing is great. I'd certainly say they are slightly bigger than my US made '47's. I've read some slight criticsim of the denim on Japanese '47's which I personally don't agree with. I think the denim is great, nice and dark, and maybe a touch "hairer", with a more pronounced selvage.
As I said earlier, I'd love LVC to do the '55 with leather patch, the '51 - '53?
On another topic, I recently got a pair of LVC Japan '47's and am very pleased with them. Whilst not as full cut as '55's they measure about 39" in the waist, and I bought 38" and the detailing is great. I'd certainly say they are slightly bigger than my US made '47's. I've read some slight criticsim of the denim on Japanese '47's which I personally don't agree with. I think the denim is great, nice and dark, and maybe a touch "hairer", with a more pronounced selvage.
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Hi Swing, yeah, I've seen the '54's and this year from LVC I think they're far too slim compared to the orginal '54 cut. I wish LVC would just make each model as exact facsimilies of the original's, only allowing any variation as per originals, otherwise what's the point?
I think LVC Japan do a much more accurate '54. However for me, the zip is not a feature I like, I prefer a button fly.
I must admit I don't have models earlier than '37's as I do like to wear a belt and I believe the brace / suspender buttons may interfere with the belt, is this the case? If that's not the case, I would like a pair of '33's....
I think LVC Japan do a much more accurate '54. However for me, the zip is not a feature I like, I prefer a button fly.
I must admit I don't have models earlier than '37's as I do like to wear a belt and I believe the brace / suspender buttons may interfere with the belt, is this the case? If that's not the case, I would like a pair of '33's....
