Impressive Pilot lot on ebay

[TankBuster]

It went to the land of the rising sun, which is quite sad really.

No sadder than A-2s off to Ireland.

:cry: :cry: :cry:


Aside from that remark I do think it would have been good for this lot to reside in a Stateside Museum- or Jeff's place.

Andrew,
I'll gladly take it off the new owners hands to display :lol:

 

[shanghai joe]

groupo collecting can be a funny thing: a collector posed me this question:

it takes a special kind of person to want to collect so much of a vet's life!

now I feel guilty..............................................................................

 

[Anonymous]

Don't feel guilty, someone has to care for the past, and bring it into the future. The AVG members had no problem with someone wearing a jacket with their insignias, they were very complimentary with the tribute, and the idea of keeping their history alive.

 

[shanghai joe]

Don't feel guilty, someone has to care for the past, and bring it into the future. The AVG members had no problem with someone wearing a jacket with their insignias, they were very complimentary with the tribute, and the idea of keeping their history alive.

thanks for gentle words.........it's just that he was pointing out a different perspective but like you I feel that as collectors we're honouring the memories of the vets.

Actually I had an interesting communication with a living vet who sold his militaria cos he felt it would be better preserved as his sons had no interest.........the buyer built a mini museum so the vet knows it's gone to a good home!

 

[taikonaut]

I dont know if anyone had come across a book called "Winsome Warriors". It consist of naked women draped in military uniforms of both world wars including the regiment emblems looking very Cheesecake pin up. Some people wrote in and complained that it was disrespectful to those who sacrificed their lives, considering the uniform as sacred and find it distasteful to see them worn by raunchy women. This unfuriated many to write in support of the book including a WW1 veteran of Galipoli who said that "he and his comrades would have been delighted to have cheered themselves up with such photographs and expressed his disbelief that anyone who objected could ever have served as a wartime soldier".

 

[shanghai joe]

I dont know if anyone had come across a book called "Winsome Warriors". It consist of naked women draped in military uniforms of both world wars including the regiment emblems looking very Cheesecake pin up. Some people wrote in and complained that it was disrespectful to those who sacrificed their lives, considering the uniform as sacred and find it distasteful to see them worn by raunchy women. This unfuriated many to write in support of the book including a WW1 veteran of Galipoli who said that "he and his comrades would have been delighted to have cheered themselves up with such photographs and expressed his disbelief that anyone who objected could ever have served as a wartime soldier".

googled and there's a sister companion more winsome warriors???

am I on the right(eous) path......?

 

[havocpaul]

Go to abebooks.co.uk and there are a few 2nd-hand copies about, when I worked in the military book trade I knew the publishers (Windrow and Greene), a friend of mine was at one of the photo-shoots, lucky boy!

 

[shanghai joe]

Go to abebooks.co.uk and there are a few 2nd-hand copies about, when I worked in the military book trade I knew the publishers (Windrow and Greene), a friend of mine was at one of the photo-shoots, lucky boy!

tell him I wannabe his new friend........when's the next shoot :lol:

 

[taikonaut]

The photographer Alwayn Coates more recently moved to high fashion stuff and dont want anything to do with it. He denied being involved curiously enough. I have those books, wish I had that wardrobe of custumes, the picture looked a bit dated though. They were a little tame dont you agree? For my own shoots I plan to take it a step further and put my own style.

 

[shanghai joe]

The photographer Alwayn Coates more recently moved to high fashion stuff and dont want anything to do with it. He denied being involved curiously enough. I have those books, wish I had that wardrobe of custumes, the picture looked a bit dated though. They were a little tame dont you agree? For my own shoots I plan to take it a step further and put my own style.

it's the porn-star made good syndrome........denying where they started out......

hey how about a copy of your shoot..........

yer fan,

ol joe ( and I won't deny where I source it from :lol: )

 

[Roughwear]

Go to abebooks.co.uk and there are a few 2nd-hand copies about, when I worked in the military book trade I knew the publishers (Windrow and Greene), a friend of mine was at one of the photo-shoots, lucky boy!

tell him I wannabe his new friend........when's the next shoot :lol:

You sound desperate Joe! :lol:

 

[shanghai joe]

Go to abebooks.co.uk and there are a few 2nd-hand copies about, when I worked in the military book trade I knew the publishers (Windrow and Greene), a friend of mine was at one of the photo-shoots, lucky boy!

tell him I wannabe his new friend........when's the next shoot :lol:

You sound desperate Joe! :lol:

call me by my true name: desperado joe desperado jo desperado joe........

hey VJL is getting light and fun again ( for fun read fruity.......tooty!) :lol:

 

[Flightpath]

Hi guys,

here's my humble 2 cents.............

I hang around a few forums, and my main intest is in military aviation (1930s - present). My budget is quite small but I get good value for my money when I'm carefull, or sometimes I get lucky with gifts from friends like the G-1 and badges last friday.
To me much of my interest is in doing research, the satisfaction of owning something that I consider special (even if my wife does not), meeting special people (servicemen/ex-servicemen) and other people with the same interest.

To me $6,276.00 for that fantastic lot was SO CHEAP when compared to the BIG $$$$$$ that people are willing to spend on an Omega or Rolex or old Mustang or some expensive Hi-Fi for their condo.

There seems to be hundreds of people with that kind of money, it is a real shame that nobody jumped in to keep this lot together and where it should stay........ in the US.

Of course a japanese collector with $6,276.00 has earned the right to bid and own it, but a US collector should have bid $6,276.01 and given the public/collectors a chance to see history.

Excuse me for ranting........... to me it's another surperb set that has slipped away, who will ever see the photos and prints from those negatives........ever.......... another part of US military aviation history has just left the country.

cheers,

-John
P.S. save up for the next lot!

 

[shanghai joe]

Hi guys,

here's my humble 2 cents.............

I hang around a few forums, and my main intest is in military aviation (1930s - present). My budget is quite small but I get good value for my money when I'm carefull, or sometimes I get lucky with gifts from friends like the G-1 and badges last friday.
To me much of my interest is in doing research, the satisfaction of owning something that I consider special (even if my wife does not), meeting special people (servicemen/ex-servicemen) and other people with the same interest.

To me $6,276.00 for that fantastic lot was SO CHEAP when compared to the BIG $$$$$$ that people are willing to spend on an Omega or Rolex or old Mustang or some expensive Hi-Fi for their condo.

There seems to be hundreds of people with that kind of money, it is a real shame that nobody jumped in to keep this lot together and where it should stay........ in the US.

Of course a japanese collector with $6,276.00 has earned the right to bid and own it, but a US collector should have bid $6,276.01 and given the public/collectors a chance to see history.

Excuse me for ranting........... to me it's another surperb set that has slipped away, who will ever see the photos and prints from those negatives........ever.......... another part of US military aviation history has just left the country.

cheers,

-John
P.S. save up for the next lot!

that's the point..........a collection is only worth what a collector is willing to pay.

guess there's no one in the U.S of A that wants it that badly.....like you say money should not be an issue for a BIG US player.

also got an update from a collector who has dealt with the Japanese.......apparently this collection won't see the light of day outside Japan..........guess that's where we coin the word anal, as in PERMA CONSTIPATION!

 

[Lignemaginot]

I have no problem with the collection going to anyone who wanted it, whether they're in the US or on the moon. Granted, it would be a shame if the new owner incinerated the lot, but that seems unlikely, and seems just as likely regardless of where the person lives. Xenophoic comments to the contrary also show a lack of ability to comprehend that people of all nationalities live all over the globe - who's to say that the buyer living in Japan isn't in fact an American? Would that make the xenophobes somewhat less anxious? I mean, come on: given that the Netherlands was at war with Spain for most of Rembrandt's life, I wonder how the Dutch feel about works of Rembrandt hanging in the Prado in Madrid. Outraged, no doubt.

The end price (if one considers it cheap) and the fact that it didn't stay in the US could have something to do with the state of the US economy and the value of the US$. If I were still living in Luxembourg and earning Euros (and given that I'm an American with an interest in CBI stuff), I very well could have bid something higher. But I'm earning the US$ now; I'm not surprised that these high ticket items are mostly going to people who earn a different currency. Also, generally speaking, I'm not terribly surpised that it all went to Asia rather than Europe, given the lack of interest in Pacific Theater items in Europe compared to Asia.

In any event, in my opinion these things are like works of art and will be just as admired in Tokyo, Buenos Aires, or Madrid, as they would be in Dallas.

 

[Flightpath]

Sorry but who's a xenophobe? I'm an australian, married to a norwegian, my brother is married to an american, my brother-in-law is married to a spanish girl, we live in Norway, I work in an international school with people from over 30 countries.

My comment was just that it is a shame to take such a collection away from the US where more people would be interested and would benifit from seeing it. (A comment was made about the buyer being a bit of a 'black hole' with items never to be seen by interested people again).
If the collection was in the US I think the owner is normally more likely to share it with other interested people.

The photos alone would be a treasuretrove of information, most if not all seemed to be never to have been published).

cheers,

-John

 

[Miles_Archer]

I've sold to the buyer of the lot a few times before. He is a high-end vintage dealer and definitely very Japanese.

 

[tamoko]

US collector prefer to spend big money for Japanese Katana or for some old Samurai stuff, than in own history. At the moment US military not popular.

 

[Lignemaginot]

Sorry but who's a xenophobe? I'm an australian, married to a norwegian, my brother is married to an american, my brother-in-law is married to a spanish girl, we live in Norway, I work in an international school with people from over 30 countries.

My comment was just that it is a shame to take such a collection away from the US where more people would be interested and would benifit from seeing it. (A comment was made about the buyer being a bit of a 'black hole' with items never to be seen by interested people again).
If the collection was in the US I think the owner is normally more likely to share it with other interested people.

The photos alone would be a treasuretrove of information, most if not all seemed to be never to have been published).

cheers,

-John

My bad.

 

[shanghai joe]

Sorry but who's a xenophobe? I'm an australian, married to a norwegian, my brother is married to an american, my brother-in-law is married to a spanish girl, we live in Norway, I work in an international school with people from over 30 countries.

My comment was just that it is a shame to take such a collection away from the US where more people would be interested and would benifit from seeing it. (A comment was made about the buyer being a bit of a 'black hole' with items never to be seen by interested people again).
If the collection was in the US I think the owner is normally more likely to share it with other interested people.

The photos alone would be a treasuretrove of information, most if not all seemed to be never to have been published).

cheers,

-John

My bad.

all's well with the forum................