Persimmon
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Are you saying this is better than the Aero produced limited edition version ?
What reasons can you offer please ?
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Goldsmith A-2 Reproduction - Headwind Mfg Co
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Are you saying this is better than the Aero produced limited edition version ?
What reasons can you offer please ?
bseal
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Study the pics carefully, think, and then say to yourself, “I spend way too much time on this forum.”
Skyhawk
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Appreciate the input!
THIS IS NOT THE FINAL TEST JACKET.
This jacket is actually the first test jacket made months ago. Many of the changes you mentioned are already being incorporated into the 2nd test jacket being constructed right now. This jacket should be complete by next week.
Edit: Spec label -
The Gold looks pretty close in person so maybe a photo issue. It certainly falls within the range of gold colors used for A-2 spec labels. The color varied quite a bit from Amber Gold to Yellow Gold across the different A-2 contracts.
I think we came pretty close:
The label has been discussed in great length on the button flap A-2 thread:
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-12
On post #234 I explain that the label we used actually existed at the time the Goldsmith A-2 was made. Goldsmith put that label in their clothing items. A black and gold version of the label has never been seen in any of their clothing products.
They would have had the black white label on hand when constructing the A-2 jacket. I don't think they would have made a new label for 25 jackets, they would have just used a clothing label they already had. Just like SAT did a year later. They would have received the Spec label from the USAC and added their company label with it to denote the maker. The USAC Allowed SAT to do this a year later so I think they would allow Goldsmith to use their label as well.
With a Government contract you always try to minimize costs and it would have just not been practical to make up a new label for 25 jackets when the government allowed you to use your company label you already had.
So although it may look nice to have all the labels matching, I don't believe that is how it was done in 1930.
Best Regards,
Jay
THIS IS NOT THE FINAL TEST JACKET.
This jacket is actually the first test jacket made months ago. Many of the changes you mentioned are already being incorporated into the 2nd test jacket being constructed right now. This jacket should be complete by next week.
Edit: Spec label -
The Gold looks pretty close in person so maybe a photo issue. It certainly falls within the range of gold colors used for A-2 spec labels. The color varied quite a bit from Amber Gold to Yellow Gold across the different A-2 contracts.
I think we came pretty close:
The label has been discussed in great length on the button flap A-2 thread:
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-12
On post #234 I explain that the label we used actually existed at the time the Goldsmith A-2 was made. Goldsmith put that label in their clothing items. A black and gold version of the label has never been seen in any of their clothing products.
They would have had the black white label on hand when constructing the A-2 jacket. I don't think they would have made a new label for 25 jackets, they would have just used a clothing label they already had. Just like SAT did a year later. They would have received the Spec label from the USAC and added their company label with it to denote the maker. The USAC Allowed SAT to do this a year later so I think they would allow Goldsmith to use their label as well.
With a Government contract you always try to minimize costs and it would have just not been practical to make up a new label for 25 jackets when the government allowed you to use your company label you already had.
So although it may look nice to have all the labels matching, I don't believe that is how it was done in 1930.
Best Regards,
Jay
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33-1729
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Yes, the color scheme is a guess as they used about all of them, including black and gold as shown in the link below. I like what both Ken and Jay have done.
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.o...et-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-9#post-202613
And there was quite a lot of discussion ....
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-10
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.o...et-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-9#post-202613
And there was quite a lot of discussion ....
https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/page-10
Bombing IP
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I think its unfair to expect Jay to accommodate all input from all members on a jacket that that exists only a a photo with no existing examples to compare to . I think thus far Aero and Headwind have done a remarkable job of producing jackets for advanced A2 aficionado's . I think they have got it as close as can be ,given the information available .
Bravo I say accept the jacket as done and buy them . This business of this needs to be 7mm smaller is BS when one cannot lay a ruler on an original photo angles and lens curvature etc etc .
BIP
Bravo I say accept the jacket as done and buy them . This business of this needs to be 7mm smaller is BS when one cannot lay a ruler on an original photo angles and lens curvature etc etc .
BIP
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Skyhawk
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Thanks for the support, all of you!
I really don't mind discussion and constructive advice and theories. I value all the opinions from this forum. There is a lot of great knowledge here collectively.
I am doing my absolute best to reconstruct this jacket and to get the details right. I am excited to see the new test jacket completed and to see how it compares to my vision and to the original photos.
All The Best,
Jay
I really don't mind discussion and constructive advice and theories. I value all the opinions from this forum. There is a lot of great knowledge here collectively.
I am doing my absolute best to reconstruct this jacket and to get the details right. I am excited to see the new test jacket completed and to see how it compares to my vision and to the original photos.
All The Best,
Jay
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Ken at Aero Leather
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Looking good Jay, I do think you've got the epaulette join to the sleeve wrong, I'd be glad to help if you want. As you know we are finished with this jacket, all 25 long gone
Skyhawk
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Thanks Ken. Yeah the eps are wrapped around the outside of that seam. I don't think that I remembered that change for this next test jacket. There were a lot of things that needed tweaking. We will change that for the production jackets though. I am hoping for a near perfect test jacket but I know there will still be some small tweaks to get things 100%.
Ken at Aero Leather
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The epaulette is joined between the arm hole and the sleeve, the body/sleeve seam is then top stitched all the way round, then the epaulette is hammered back as tight as possible before the outer edge box stitch is done. Only then is The epaulette joined to the neck hole
Ken at Aero Leather
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Don't get nagged by the stitch counters into keeping the pockets the same distance (in every size) from the front edge as they are in Arnold pics, grade the distance according to size or they'll look awful in small sizes
Skyhawk
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Update.... The test 2nd jacket is complete. We have come a long way but there is still some tweaking needed to get it 100% correct.
Please note:
THE POCKET FLAP IS THE WRONG SHAPE.
Due to a misunderstanding, the flap was made too long in the middle at the point. We will be using our original flap design only it will be bigger to match the original.
Our original flap design:
Here are some photos of Test Jacket #2
Please note:
THE POCKET FLAP IS THE WRONG SHAPE.
Due to a misunderstanding, the flap was made too long in the middle at the point. We will be using our original flap design only it will be bigger to match the original.
Our original flap design:
Here are some photos of Test Jacket #2
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B-Man2
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Nice
That’s an outstanding jacket for the price.
Ken at Aero Leather
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Who is going to be the first to spot the faux pas on the throat hook?
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stanier
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Wrong way round
Skyhawk
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Thanks for the comments guys.
Yes the rivets are not covered by the leather collar stand. The hook and eye are installed correctly, not the wrong way around.
I don't know about a "Faux Pas" because other A-2 contracts had the rivets exposed as well.
Like the W535-AC-23383 contract for instance:
Granted the SAT A-2 had them under the collar stand so it could go either way. What are your guys thoughts? Were they most likely installed like the SAT? We don't have photos of that part of the jacket so we can't say for sure.
Yes the rivets are not covered by the leather collar stand. The hook and eye are installed correctly, not the wrong way around.
I don't know about a "Faux Pas" because other A-2 contracts had the rivets exposed as well.
Like the W535-AC-23383 contract for instance:
Granted the SAT A-2 had them under the collar stand so it could go either way. What are your guys thoughts? Were they most likely installed like the SAT? We don't have photos of that part of the jacket so we can't say for sure.
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