Kermit3D
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It's a pun (I think). Ostmann => Eastman in German (man from the east).
It seems that the name "Luftwaffe" scared some customers.
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It's a pun (I think). Ostmann => Eastman in German (man from the east).
It seems that the name "Luftwaffe" scared some customers.
Southoftheborder
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Yes, mostly Americans like I said before which I think is why they changed it. I wouldn't mind a German label if it was authentic to the jacket but it was bullshit.
It's a very inoffensive "Ostmann" in Gothic-looking script, a red dragon shield, and "Echt Leder Flieger Jacke" over " Eastman Leather Clothing." This die hard fascist-hating liberal would have zero objections to "Luftwaffe."
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Southoftheborder
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As I said I have objections to bullshit not German labels. It never was an issued Luftwaffe jacket so why the label?
I never fancied one, here in Europe on French selling sites I used to see a lot of very nice French cycling or motor jackets still wearable with that plaid lining, talking of ' luftwaffe ' flight jackets, some of those used in the movie battle of Britain were well known British motorcycle jackets, Goldtop, my first pair of motorcycle boots were British Goldtop
ZuZu
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Anti-fascist liberalism is why the internet is now swept clean of anything even remotely "Nazi" or for that matter anything not maintaining the pardigm of Our Masters. It was the first step in what is now a pervasive propaganda operation all 'round. I remember back in the "old days" when you could find just about anything on the internet- good or bad. Now you don't even find "Luftwaffe" written on a reproduction jacket. Weird times...
Kermit3D
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Maybe I missed something... but doesn't the "Deutsche Luftwaffe" still exist nowadays ?
en.wikipedia.org
German Air Force - Wikipedia
Kermit3D
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I fully agree with the fact that, historically, a "Luftwaffe" label is meaningless. But... the whole jacket has nothing to do with the Luftwaffe, or even with the 1940's. So one more inconsistency or one less inconsistency doesn't make much difference.
I don't have a problem with it because I really like this jacket (which could eventually be a biker jacket from the 60's-70's). What really bothers me (as it often does with ELC) is their ability to write crap and reinvent history.
I don't have a problem with it because I really like this jacket (which could eventually be a biker jacket from the 60's-70's). What really bothers me (as it often does with ELC) is their ability to write crap and reinvent history.
Smithy
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Late to the party here but I've always thought that the ELC "Luftwaffe" jackets lacked the elegance of the original French designs. It's like those overly lengthened cheap A-2s, they look off. Sorry and not meaning to offend anyone, if you like them, all power to you.
But for me the original French jackets are truly elegant looking things due to the proportions. The ELC ones completely trash those proportions and (for me) the whole shape of the jacket. The only repro I have seen which capture those of the originals are Brice's.
But for me the original French jackets are truly elegant looking things due to the proportions. The ELC ones completely trash those proportions and (for me) the whole shape of the jacket. The only repro I have seen which capture those of the originals are Brice's.
ZuZu
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Here's an ELC...
Here's one of Brice's...
Beide sind besser mit angled pocketen- IMO
Smithy
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ZuZu
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Also das stimmt!
bn1966
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Brices does look the business & I agree it’s nicely proportioned & elegant.The ELC ‘Luftwaffe’ for me is a great casual jacket for colder weather. I gave the ELC ‘Hartman’ a whirl to try and get more the look and weight that I wanted, failed in that it was longer than desirable and had a very baggy waist. Another thing for me was I would have preferred a different leather to ‘Cape’. Moved it on but kept the ‘Luftwaffe’ for casual winter wear.
I'm not at all sure where you're going with your substance free first and second sentences, but rest assured- you can still find any level of extremism and freakishness your heart desires on the interwebs. It's as dirty, kook-friendly and freak-welcoming as ever for like-minded flying monkeys- on either far side of the political spectrum.
Now, I'm speculating the first issue ELC "Luftwaffe" jackets were so labled for purely marketing purposes. As has been established, the kit pictured in period photos was typically locally sourced and based on "French cycling jackets." What ever that encompassed. The rest is marketing, pure and simple. When I get a compliment on my Ostmann and someone then asks "hey, what's that?" my response is it's an ELC Ostmann. Nothing more. To my knowlege, there is no definitive "Luftwaffe figher pilots jacket" to replicate.
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ausreenactor
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Would be on the ELC site pics...
ShanghaiJack
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Ostmann Label, credit to Chas. DiSipio & History Preservation Associates:
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Pilot
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The orthography is not correct
Correct would be;
“Bekleidung aus echtem Leder” .
or “Echtleder Bekleidung “
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ausreenactor
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Nah.. sounds like waffle... Everyone loves waffles... 'Luvtwaffles'!It's a pun (I think). Ostmann => Eastman in German (man from the east).
It seems that the name "Luftwaffe" scared some customers.
Wedge417
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Joining in late as well...I've never really liked the ELC take on the French cyclist jacket. Like it was said by another member, we used to see quite a few of these about 20 years or so in flee markets in Europe. It used to be a pretty standard design for young fellows in the 1930s. I've almost pushed the buy button but never did as I always thought there was something missing with ELC's.
Seeing as most of the genuine cyclists have all disappeared or are labeled vintage jackets and now attract the hipster mob, it's getting pretty hard to find a decent second hand. Does anybody know of a maker that makes nice repros in Europe?
Seeing as most of the genuine cyclists have all disappeared or are labeled vintage jackets and now attract the hipster mob, it's getting pretty hard to find a decent second hand. Does anybody know of a maker that makes nice repros in Europe?
