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Bill Kelso RW 27752
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Anonymous
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Not pressed, you can't get that with pressing.
Also pressed have a repeating pattern and are more uniform.
This is not uniform anywhere. Nor there are any matching pieces.
I have no idea what they do to them and they won't say.
Also pressed have a repeating pattern and are more uniform.
This is not uniform anywhere. Nor there are any matching pieces.
I have no idea what they do to them and they won't say.
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Anonymous
Guest
It happens that I have a pressed hide here,
I will show you in a moment
I will show you in a moment
kiltie
Member
I'm reluctant to advance this idea, because I really do like this jacket a good deal. However, what about this:
I've always been a big fan of having quality shoes. For many years, all I wore were Danners made in Oregon. Great shoes, and only wore two pairs over eight or ten years, at just under three hundred dollars a go. So imagine how surprised and excited I was to see a pair in the sporting goods store for $150.
Closer examination though, showed that these boots, made in China, were built from leather that had been stretched, thus causing a pebbling effect over the shoe. The $300 US made ones are smooth, one piece uppers. With the stretched leather, you can wring out more stuff, but get the "falsified" grain.
Do you think that might be it, PLATON? There are striations about the collar and a few other places, though VERY subtle, which might imply that's the case. And let me clarify: it's less a criticism, and more...curiosity.
I've always been a big fan of having quality shoes. For many years, all I wore were Danners made in Oregon. Great shoes, and only wore two pairs over eight or ten years, at just under three hundred dollars a go. So imagine how surprised and excited I was to see a pair in the sporting goods store for $150.
Closer examination though, showed that these boots, made in China, were built from leather that had been stretched, thus causing a pebbling effect over the shoe. The $300 US made ones are smooth, one piece uppers. With the stretched leather, you can wring out more stuff, but get the "falsified" grain.
Do you think that might be it, PLATON? There are striations about the collar and a few other places, though VERY subtle, which might imply that's the case. And let me clarify: it's less a criticism, and more...curiosity.
m444uk
Active Member
kiltie said:
No, the striations are just a stretch mark on the animals skin.
Car upholstery is a good example of a highly processed leather. To get conformity it's sanded flat and put through roller or press for a grain pattern.
What we are after for jackets is a top grain leather (not a split or sanded) where you can see the hair follicle pores and a bit of grain character showing through with wear.
The goatskin of your jacket looks good to my eyes.
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Anonymous
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Please see the pressed hide here:
http://postimage.org/image/lrd7mutex/
I really have no idea how they do it. I hear in some cases they throw in an enzyme (in sufficient quantity I supposed) in the drums during the tanning process and that this is causing a swelling, dilating, bulging (call it what you like) of the pores and grain of the hide. They still call the hide that results from that process 'natural'. Sure this way the grain is exaggerated, but is still the natural grain, meaning that it was not altered mechanically e.g. by pressing.
The above is a standard process that I know exists but I don't know exactly what they did to this leather. It could be that but the tannery won't say.
You can see how tough this hide is, only horsehide is this tough.
http://postimage.org/image/lrd7mutex/
I really have no idea how they do it. I hear in some cases they throw in an enzyme (in sufficient quantity I supposed) in the drums during the tanning process and that this is causing a swelling, dilating, bulging (call it what you like) of the pores and grain of the hide. They still call the hide that results from that process 'natural'. Sure this way the grain is exaggerated, but is still the natural grain, meaning that it was not altered mechanically e.g. by pressing.
The above is a standard process that I know exists but I don't know exactly what they did to this leather. It could be that but the tannery won't say.
You can see how tough this hide is, only horsehide is this tough.
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Anonymous
Guest
also, you can easily tell when a hide is pressed because they can never press the edges.
the edges are always smooth.
I have seen these skins before they were cut into jackets and the grain was everywhere, edges included.
the edges are always smooth.
I have seen these skins before they were cut into jackets and the grain was everywhere, edges included.
kiltie
Member
m444uk said:
That's funny: when I quote you, I get an extra line - "The goatskin of your jacket looks good to my eyes." - Are you baiting me on my 5th or 6th post, or whatever it is? Heh heh... You'll have to do better than that. I'm a big boy, with a big boy job and everything.
Anywho, I know what stretch marks on hide look like, and perhaps "striation" was a poor choice of word. No, I'm talking about a distinctive mark made somewhere in the processing. And, once again, it's not detracting or otherwise bothersome, as I merely adds to the authenticity, in my eye. I just thought it might be a clue as to how the hide was developed.
EDIT: Ah - I see. The dig was an edit.
Rapier wit.
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Anonymous
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Sorry guys I don't know about your orders but if you let me know your real names I can check for you.
I saw many A-2s coming out of the BK shop but all were brand new. I 'd love to see how they age and how the color fades.
Please show your photos.
I saw many A-2s coming out of the BK shop but all were brand new. I 'd love to see how they age and how the color fades.
Please show your photos.
Phantomfixer
New Member
PLATON said:
IMO Russet goat would be a good choice...even if it was/is horse
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Anonymous
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I was thinking about getting a Doniger original, or even a Cable.
Do you guys like/want goatskin jackets?
Do you guys like/want goatskin jackets?
