2BM2K
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There is a photo of an original B2 in post #10.
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B2 pocket
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Pilot
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John Lever
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Well there you go...
John Lever
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The jacket with the pocket baffle also has a different collar set up.
John Lever
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John Lever
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Note, both flaps are tucked in.
Enigma1938
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It's getting a bit boring...
Never said there are no photos, what I was
trying to say is that there are only a few period photos of originals with pocket and that I have never seen an survived one with pocket in today's photos, only a few with stich marks.
And again, like John mentioned there is currently NO maker who does a repro with the correct shaped pocket, no JC no precious japanese Makers, not even a cheap Pakistani copy.
Never said there are no photos, what I was
trying to say is that there are only a few period photos of originals with pocket and that I have never seen an survived one with pocket in today's photos, only a few with stich marks.
And again, like John mentioned there is currently NO maker who does a repro with the correct shaped pocket, no JC no precious japanese Makers, not even a cheap Pakistani copy.
Enigma1938
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Edited my post for better understanding...
buzzthetower
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John Lever
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Perhaps the B had a different configuration of pocket like the collar ?
Kermit3D
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I don’t know anything about these B-1 and B-2 jackets, it’s amazing to see these photos.
I imagine the production was fairly limited ?
That belt immediately makes me think of the Irvin. Maybe the Irvin served as the basis (or inspiration) for making the B-1 (and later the B-2) ?
I imagine the production was fairly limited ?
That belt immediately makes me think of the Irvin. Maybe the Irvin served as the basis (or inspiration) for making the B-1 (and later the B-2) ?
John Lever
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More like the other way around or from longer flying coats ?
Enigma1938
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The B-1 and the B-2 share the same pocket design. As far as I know the biggest difference between those jackets ist the lining. While the B-1 ist lined with sheepskin, the B-2 is lined with a wool blanket lining or more rare with a moquette lining.
Differences in the Collar may have been on a experimental basis, the B-2 itself had two different closing systems on its collars for example.
BTW, there's another detail all the manufacturers of repro B-2's doing wrong - they forget about the elastic strap in the collar back like the Irvin's had.
Enigma1938
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I like the B-2 pretty much. It's design is great, it looks darn good a bit like a Irvin with a more durable Horsehide Shell, it's warm but can be easily worn up to 15°C, especially the blanket lined ones.
Some dislike those jackets because of the very useless and unpractical pocket but hey, the Irvin has no pockets at all and still has a huge fan base...
Some dislike those jackets because of the very useless and unpractical pocket but hey, the Irvin has no pockets at all and still has a huge fan base...
buzzthetower
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So, to be clear, is the pocket shape of a Good Wear Switlik still wrong?
I'm very much aware of the elastic strap. Finding, or making, the metal ends is difficult without an original to copy. I can assume the design, but would prefer to have an original in hand to copy. The two original B-1 jackets I've used did not have elastic straps.
The collar you see with little tabs to close the collar are Werber products, on both the B-1 and B-2 jackets. The belts used to close the collar are a Switlik product on both the B-1 and B-2.
I'm very much familiar with the lining differences, and have superb images of B-2 jackets by Switlik. Many great collector photos exist and are easily obtained of the Werber originals as well.
I'm having no luck inserting or attaching images at the moment.
Shanghai-Mayne
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Enigma1938
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No, that looks over all correct.
But we have / I have talked about the B-2 not the B-1. It seems that there are versions with a conventional button / buttonhole construction and versions with a press stud construction. Not sure if this depends on the manufacturer.
I have done an diy elastic strap for my Irvin, and it came out pretty nice. Good originals are getting scarce...
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Enigma1938
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@buzzthetower , would you mind to share some of your Switlik / Werber B-2 photos?
buzzthetower
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Here are plenty, from Google and some I've saved which are other people's photos (will delete those from my site later)...
www.thefedoralounge.com
www.thefedoralounge.com
www.thefedoralounge.com
ameblo.jp
Here's the jacket I used for a pattern:
www.goodwearleather.com
These are the photos I've saved from other people, along with the size 38 Switlik B-1 I used to own:
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『幻の飛行服 Ｂ－２ （実物）』
以前Ｂ－２誕生の歴史について記事にしましたが、今日はその補足です。 実物のＢ－２フライングジャケットを紹介します。 1932年にフライングスーツ（ツナギ式の飛…
ameblo.jp
Here's the jacket I used for a pattern:
Good Wear Leather Coat Company — Sale Original Switlik B-1 Flight Jacket
www.goodwearleather.com
These are the photos I've saved from other people, along with the size 38 Switlik B-1 I used to own:
