Thanks! I will follow your suggestion for one of the next jackets: i've already placed an order for the ELC. Honestly i've been thinking for awhile...and decided that i'll have the B3 aero redskin for xmas (wife's compulsory present! Hoping that the personal economy won't get any worse. Cheers, Carlobseal said:While you are at it, wouldn't hurt to shoot an email over to Paddy at Real McCoys NZ. Often she has older stock offered at sale prices.