incredible WILLIS AND GEIGER OLD A2 JACKET

[bauville]

Hi everybody
I use to collect 1930's and 1940's jacket… I can confirm you that the lining, the tag and the zipper and everything in the jacket haven't been replaced.
Willis and Geiger in their communication told that they manaufactured A2 models for the army. Don't know if the deal really issued.
If this deal really existed My jacket could be from this period. If ACMEDEPOT information are proved, Willis and Geiger are Lyer and used this argument only for marketing and my jacket is a copy. But a copy before 1970, with chrome tan goatskin, original zipper, original thread, original lining, original wool knit; original snap…, original rayon style label, very strange…I'm always very surprised by the quality of this jacket. If someone have other arguments. I'm really curious and thank everybody for their suppositions but for the moment its only suppositions. If Willis and Geiger really manufactured A2 jacketd contracted or not, this jacket really look from this period beetween 1935 and 1944. If its really a copy, and I have buzz rickson's, real mc coy's, the few's model in my collection… its an incredible repro and best than japanese and english brand…as you can see in pix.
Best regards and thanks again for your cooperation and your knowledge....

 

[Vcruiser]

The "Made in USA" tag was never used till recent times!....


Hacker

I agree...that's for sure.
Van

 

[Anonymous]

The jacket's probably a Perry which has been reconditioned by professionals, possibly even 1980's Willis&Geiger. The pockets are Perry and the epaulets could be too-- the collar's a bit large but I think Art of the Flight Jacket shows a Perry with a similar collar. No such thing as a WW2 Willis&Geiger A-2 at least so goes the Great Legend.

 

[Roughwear]

The jacket's probably a Perry which has been reconditioned by professionals, possibly even 1980's Willis&Geiger. The pockets are Perry and the epaulets could be too-- the collar's a bit large but I think Art of the Flight Jacket shows a Perry with a similar collar. No such thing as a WW2 Willis&Geiger A-2 at least so goes the Great Legend.

My first thought was a reconditioned Perry ac 23377. I am fairly sure the goatskin dates from 1941-2, but the lining, knits etc..are recent additions. I guess it has been so well done it is easy to confuse them for originals. Here's a pic of my original goat Perry. The collar is much the same as on page one of this thread.

 

[Anonymous]

Some mysteries about this one- the epaulet doesn't look too Perry-like for sure, Everything about the leather and construction says "WW2 jacket" but again- I'm not sure Perrys came with Crown zipps. The modern collar clip could have been added later. Wasn't there a jacket last year that had these same characteristics- like a Cable with a collar stand? Weird jacket- pretty sure it isn't a modern repro- more like some kind of Frankenstein...I remember now that this same jacket (labeless) or one like it was on the forum a year or two ago- nooone understood why it had the Cable type epaulets and the zipper reinforcement stitching- did we ever figure out what that jacket was?

 

[bauville]

thanks for your answer everybody.
If this jacket is a 1980's or 1990's repro model its a real science fiction scenario because this jacket was bought in 1975.
If its a real frankenstein model with replaced parts we are still in science fiction because all the seams needle-works are intacts. This is pix of W&G repros from 1980's to 1990's its absoluly not the same type of work.

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[deeb7]

If its a real frankenstein model with replaced parts we are still in science fiction because all the seams needle-works are intacts.

It's sometimes difficult to tell, Bauville, as a good repair will use the original stitch holes.

And I hope you don't mind me posting your pictures ....

 

[bauville]

Hi Everybody
I finaly have the answer of all my questions you were in general very shrewd in your analyse.
This jacket is a repro from the 1980's Zipper was replaced and details added.
I'm very disappointed by this situation. I paid 500$ for this jacket and finally discover that the seller was a lyer.
I thank everybody who gave point of view and toke time to answer me.I will trye to sell this jacket as a repro on ebay it will be very hard to take back all of my money.
Best
Arnaud

 

[zoomer]

"details added"???

That's a lot of details to add: all new snaps, liner, collar stand?
Nobody would go to all that work to create a fake. They'd never make back their money or time from anybody smart enough to appreciate it!

A remote possibility is that it was made up as some kind of prototype by/for W&G, who then decided not to produce it.

 

[johnnynotoes-1]

Arghhh!! Just when I thought there was a resolution to this interesting detective story! Lots of fax n' figgers to consider. Really enjoyed this thread and Bauville?,... good luck with it and don't be too down, everyone pretty well agrees it a great jacket.

 

[Anonymous]

Never understood why W AND G, Protech, and Sporty's always used those short pockets?

 

[deand]

Never understood why W AND G, Protech, and Sporty's always used those short pockets?

Yeah, does anybody know why they did?







dean

 

[1911A1US]

Hello Folks,I own a W&G in goatskin with same spec`s,does not have that HUGE Scovill zipper,correct fit for me,nice goatskin,not a bad repo for the cost.

 

[dujardin]

hello Arnaud

for sure you will found all your answers on this forum.
i see that you have already receive some on your post.
and i see that you mention your english is not perfect, not a problem; i have the same ''problem''.

i think that you're a french speaking guy, sooooo, welcome aboard... bienvenue.
where are you from ? B or F ?

see you next
friendship
marcel

 

[Roughwear]

The more I look at the pics of the jacket on page 1, the more certain I am that its simply a refurbished wartime Perry goatskin A2. It has been relined, had the throat latch replaced and a G&W label added. A few Perrys had Crown zips and this may well be the original zip, re-installed following the reline.

 

[R7000]

I looked in my files and I found a W&G repro lable just like this one.

I wanted this to be a WWII W&G but I think the label is clearly a repro.

I forgot how to attach a pic.

send me a PM at [email protected] and I can email the pic.

Tom

 

[Jaydee]

Well........ Here's another clue. I think it's the same jacket with a different zipper. Mystery solved as a repro?

By the way, I believe I had the same zip on a '61 G-1 A series. It was the original Zip.

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