A2 CONTRACT DATES-UP-DATED

Discussion in 'Vintage' started by Roughwear, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. prostaff4ever

    prostaff4ever Member

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    Great stuff, Andrew!! I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I've done contracting with both the US Army and Navy, and although the procurement system is probably very different now than it was back then, it is usually an issue of funds allocated for specific purposes or to specific vendors. As you note, sometimes multiple items were procured under the same order number from the same vendor. Monies would have probably been allocated for a specific vendor under an annual contract and as the need arose, various orders were placed against a pre-allocated pool of money. Much of the disparity between when a contract was issued versus an order may have been due to administrative convenience on the part of the procurement departments that dealt with various suppliers. There is quite a bit a leeway given to the contracting side and as long as the monies were allocated and the bureaucracy requirements were met in order to pay the vendors for their goods and services, there wouldn't have been too much complaining amongst the participants involved. It would be very interesting to find the actual contracts or order documents to review. I would think that given so many of them that there would be a few still floating around in an archive somewhere. George
     
  2. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    I will up date some of the contract information once Gary Eastman's A2 book is available in December.

    The 1401-P contract for 30,000 jackets was placed on 8th August 1941, not 17th September which was the date when some newspapers reported the contract award.
     
  3. Robman

    Robman Member

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    Just out of curiousity I would like to know what contract was for the largest amount of A2s. I am only making an assumption but I'd have to say the Aero 15142???? It seems that the most common wartime A2s I've seen over the past ten years on ebay, identifying in museums, at airshows etc. have been the aero 15142, the RW 27752 or the Dubow 27798.
     
  4. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    The largest size contract appears to have been for 50,000 A2. The Aero 42-18775-P was for this number and I suspect the previous Aero contract was the same size as was the Dubow 27798 contract. I will know more when I get Gary Eastman's A2 book next Saturday as he lists the contract sizes.
     
  5. Robman

    Robman Member

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    Thanks Andrew.
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I am new at this hobby and already have handled 3 Aeros 42-18775-P
    They seem to be everywhere, especially on ebay.
    My favorite variation is the one with rounded pockets.
     
  7. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    Having looked at Gary's book it seems that the largest contract awarded in the War was for 59,000 A2s and this was the first Bronco contract awarded on 18th May 1942.
     
  8. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    Here is the updated list following the research undertaken by Gary Eastman. The contract sizes are in brackets.
    Pre-War Order numbers and the Fiscal Year
    32-485 Security (Aviation Togs) 1931/2 (probably less than 500)
    33-1729 Werber 1932/33 (probably less than 500)
    36-1112 P Werber 13 Sept.1935 (550)
    37-3061 P Aero 1936/37 (probably less than 500)
    37-3891 P H.L.B. Corp. 3 March 1937 (375)
    38-1711-P Aero 26 Oct 1937 (1,500)
    38-205 Werber (not listed by Gary)
    39-2951 P Werber 9 Jan 1939 (1,250)
    40-3785-P Aero 18 Dec 1940 (3,500)

    Contract Numbers
    W535ac16159 Rough Wear 2 Nov 1940 9.700)
    W535ac16160 Aero 1 Nov 1940 (4,500)
    W535ac18091 Rough Wear 6 March 1941(17,628)
    W535ac20960 Dubow 8 August1941(13,000)
    W535ac21996 Aero 14 October 1941(25,000)
    W535ac23377 Perry 31 Dec 1941(20,000)
    W535ac23378 Monarch 26 Dec 1941(15,000)
    W535ac23379 Dubow 26 Dec 1941(10,000)
    W535ac23380 Rough Wear 26 Dec 1941 (12,000)
    W535ac23381 Cooper 5 Jan 1942 (5,000)
    W535ac23382 Cable 29 Dec 1941(10,000)
    W535ac23383 Fried Ostermann 22 Dec 1941(8,000)
    W535ac27752 Rough Wear 27 April 1942 (50,000)
    W535ac27753 Cable 29 April 1942 (50,000)
    W535ac27798 Dubow 25 April 1942 (50,000)
    W535ac28557 Star 18 May 1942 (30,000)
    W535ac28560 Poughkeepsie 18 May 1942 (50,000)
    W535ac29191 Bronco 18 May 1942 (59,000)
    W535ac29971 David D Doniger 9 June 1942 (same contract as 21539)

    Order Numbers
    42-1401-P Rough Wear 8 August 1941(30,000)
    42-1402-P Werber 8 August 1941(7,000)
    42-10008-P Cable 19 Jan 1942 (10,000)
    42-15142-P Aero 28 March 1942 (50,000)
    42-16175-P Perry 23 May 1942 (50,000)
    42-18245-P Star Spring 1942 (same contract as 28557)
    42-18246-P S.H. Knopf 18 May 1942 (10,000)
    42-18775-P Aero 25 May 1942 (50,000)
    42-18776-P Spiewak 18 May 1942 (25,0000)
    42-18777-P United Sheeplined 18 May 1942 (25,000)
    42-21539-P David D. Doniger & Co. 9 June 1942 (5,000)
    V505 Made in Australia 1943
    W33-038ac1755(11631) Dubow 13 June 1944 (35,000)
    1756 Perry 13 June 1944 (25,000)
    W33-038ac1761 Bronco June 1944 (25,000)
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Sticky please?
     
  10. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    This is a sticky as it will always stay as the first thread on Vintage unless any more stickies are agreed to by the mods.
     
  11. Robman

    Robman Member

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    Andrew, thanks for the info. Basically what I thought if you look at the Aero 21996, 15142 and 18775P you have over one hundred thousand of the same type A2s, subtle differences of course but explains why you tend to see a lot of Aeros over the years.
     
  12. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    and also why there was insufficient horsehide to meet demand resulting in many wartime Aeros being made from cowhide.
     
  13. Robman

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    Good point Andrew............by the way it also explains the abundance of the 27798 Dubows.
     
  14. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    True, although they are usually found in smaller sizes.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    A think what we need now is a list of all the notable repro makers
    and what contracts they reproduce. That would be interesting.
     

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