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Security Aviation Toggs photos
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Falcon_52
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Cool pictures, Grant. The jacket on the man on the right sure looks like the early Werber (light knits, pocket and flap shape, longish epaulettes). The SAT A-2 is a very smart looking jacket! No one will ever make an accurate repro of this one will they? 
Thanks for posting.
Noel
Thanks for posting.
Noel
Falcon_52 said:Cool pictures, Grant. The jacket on the man on the right sure looks like the early Werber (light knits, pocket and flap shape, longish epaulettes). The SAT A-2 is a very smart looking jacket! No one will ever make an accurate repro of this one will they?
Thanks for posting.
Noel
Noel, I agree about the jacket on the right being a Werber. Now if someone can loan John Chapman an original SAT A2 I'm sure he can make an accurate repro of one.
Peter Graham
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Nice neat collar on the SAT. Sharp looking jacket.
bfrench
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Grant said:
Hi, Grant,
Thanks for the great photos.
Anybody notice the guy on the left in the top pic - sure not your average 20 to 25 year old aviation cadet and yet the jacket is nicely squared on his shoulders and still enough room around his slightly pot-bellied waist.
This pattern may just be just be the best fitting for us older and heavier types.
Cheers,
Bill French
zoomer
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The 2nd pic is of course Brig. Gen. Frank Andrews, first commander of GHQ AF, in front of a B-10.
Grant, can you share any details about the 1st pic? I recognize the patches of the 96th BS and 2nd BG. I assume the plane is one of the first dozen B-17s, dating the pic to mid 1937 or later.
I agree the major at right has a Werber, based on the light shade of the knit - but a '33 or '36? No one's ever seen a '36.
Grant, can you share any details about the 1st pic? I recognize the patches of the 96th BS and 2nd BG. I assume the plane is one of the first dozen B-17s, dating the pic to mid 1937 or later.
I agree the major at right has a Werber, based on the light shade of the knit - but a '33 or '36? No one's ever seen a '36.
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Anonymous
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The Werber on the right n the first photo look very short compared to the length of the jacket. The bottom seems high even for the high-waist on the trousers. If it were for a shorter guy though he'd sure have some serious tunnelling !
Nice photos Grant. Not seen many of the SAT and really like the smaller collar.
Dave
Nice photos Grant. Not seen many of the SAT and really like the smaller collar.
Dave
bristolherc
Member
Grant said:
Grant, the pic's I have of the HLB A-2 in Dayton show bevelled pocket corners ala Bronco, so mebe not huh?
Bevan.
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Anonymous
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deeb7 said:
Mmmmmm. The back certainly looks bunched up by the sweater. The front looks pretty uncreased to my eye but I do bow to your much more extensive knowledge on clothing and jackets in particular. Do you know if the proportions of sleeve length against body length were a constant in period jackets ? We'll leave aside the debate about modern repros being authentic if details are correct but proportions are custom
Does anyone have photos of a SAT laid flat to get a feel for the proportions ? Does anyone even have one ?
Dave
JACKET_ HEAD said:
There are pictures in Full Gear of the early contracts, Security, and Werber. They appear to be long in the arm, but the body is no shorter than later jackets.
When worn, they seem to retain an A-1 look ...
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Anonymous
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Thanks for that David.
Love the B series jackets in the other topic's photos but would really rather have one with a plain A-2 collar than the HUGE sheep one. Too bulky and disproportionate for me for wearing 'aboot toon' and you'd not be able to drive or ride in one as you would never see past 90 degrees. I wonder if Aero would have a bash at one for me ............... ?
Dave
Love the B series jackets in the other topic's photos but would really rather have one with a plain A-2 collar than the HUGE sheep one. Too bulky and disproportionate for me for wearing 'aboot toon' and you'd not be able to drive or ride in one as you would never see past 90 degrees. I wonder if Aero would have a bash at one for me ............... ?
Dave
bseal
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Weasel_Loader
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Going back and looking through these SAT photos, I really love the distinctive aspects of these jackets with seems at sleeve and waist ends. The buttoned pockets and the narrower sleeve ends.
zoomer
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Why must they always put the @##!!%!! 1942 stampings on the liner?deeb7 said:
