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Nice original Dubow
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Peter Graham
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To my untrained eye that paintwork looks like it was done yesterday, by a ten year old. Saying that, the jacket is in great condition so maybe the paintwork has had little wear.
Silver Surfer
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hmmm...not to sure about that. my guess is that its aok based on the excellent condition of the goatskin and knits. of all of the paint colors used on these old buzzards, yellow enamels always seem to remain the brightest, and for that matter, most flexible. must be the cadmium in the paint.
a2jacketpatches
Active Member
I'm with you Vic, that yellow seems that it's just yellow with an appropriate patina. It's failing in the right places, the creases. And the artwork is fairly crude as are most painted A-2's
Andrew
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That's the same Squadron as this one that I own- the 4thBS 34BG.
I'm tending to believe it's ligit too due to the use of the yellow paint
This is a pic taken about 7 years ago of the Pilot of the ship which mine was from and he had the other version of the redback spider patch, I think the one in the auction is the earlier version. The artwork here is also a lot more sophisticated!
I'm tending to believe it's ligit too due to the use of the yellow paint
This is a pic taken about 7 years ago of the Pilot of the ship which mine was from and he had the other version of the redback spider patch, I think the one in the auction is the earlier version. The artwork here is also a lot more sophisticated!
2BM2K
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The jacket does not have much wear and appears to match the condition of the artwork.
I find the B17 interesting. It looks to me to be copied from a photo.
Searching around I came across this superb photo of a 34BG B17, not quite the same perspective but close;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnfunk/5517097156/in/photostream/
or Full Size photo;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnfunk/5517097156/sizes/o/
I find the B17 interesting. It looks to me to be copied from a photo.
Searching around I came across this superb photo of a 34BG B17, not quite the same perspective but close;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnfunk/5517097156/in/photostream/
or Full Size photo;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnfunk/5517097156/sizes/o/
a2jacketpatches
Active Member
Being in as good condition as it is, I think the only honest wear would be as it is, in the natural grain of the leather where period paint (most likely oil based) would crack under the stress of bending back and forth. Gloss paint can remain gloss for a thousand years if not scuffed. Wouldn't expect anyone to be completely convinced without provenance of course. But nothing else really screams recent paint job. Very likely done after the war and a huge number of jackets certainly were, but I don't think this one was done yesterday.
Peter Graham
Well-Known Member
So a lot of differing opinions. I certainly wouldn't chance it. Provenance is everything.
a2jacketpatches
Active Member
Peter Graham said:
Agreed, especially with a zero feedback record. Not much there at all to base a good decision on even if the condition can be justified.
The seller has been an Ebay member since 15th July 2014 and the first item he sells is a rare painted original A2 jacket! Everything could be 100% legit concerning the seller and the jacket. However it is too much money to gamble. My gut feeling still is that the art work is not wartime and possibly "aged" slightly. I'm always suspicious of sellers with no feedback trying to sell high end jackets like this. These "newby" sellers will strike a deal, close their Pay Pal account then disappear from Ebay thereby avoiding any come back from the dissatisfied buyer.
Andrew
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Aside from any debate about whether it is or isn't legit WWII era artwork I completely agree those observations. There's no way you would go near this sale with such minimal info and a seller with zero feedback and a lack of credibility. This auction style just feeds any doubts you might have about the artwork. Fishing for sure.
Silver Surfer
Well-Known Member
on that note, i concur.
Phantomfixer
New Member
First thing I noticed was the patch location...way high up on the chest...even with no name tag, patches were generally just above the pocket...and I stress generally..
second was the slapped on paint, yes amatuers painted jackets too. Not everyone was a Tony Starcer or Phil Brinkman, I get that, it is odd though...
second was the slapped on paint, yes amatuers painted jackets too. Not everyone was a Tony Starcer or Phil Brinkman, I get that, it is odd though...
