Need Help to Identify "A2 Werber Leather Coat Co. Contract 1729"

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[Blackboxr1200S]

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Looks like an SAT to me. Be interesting if there are any Werbers with button flaps in there, as that would be the Werber 6225 contract.

 

[Nickb123]

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Hap Arnold’s Martin B-10 Alaska mission.

 

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Looks like an SAT to me. Be interesting if there are any Werbers with button flaps in there, as that would be the Werber 6225 contract.

The person to Hap Arnold's right, Maj. Hugh J. Knerr per @2BM2K on an earlier post (on the left below), appears to be wearing a Werber 32-6225. Except for the nicely scalloped pockets, laid back epaulets and, perhaps, a collar hook it's hard to make out anything else. Great thing about this picture is that it shows the custom insignia from the Alaska 1934 mission ensuring an official regulation jacket issue (unlike a stray jacket photo). Compare to the button-flapped pockets of the SAT 32-485 on the right.

Ref. https://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/buttoned-pocket-flaps-a-2-jackets.20145/post-205700

 

[2BM2K]

What we know about Shawn’s jacket:

Date of Manufacture? 1932 or later, based upon the original and intact Talon M-32 zipper (the name “Hookless” was dropped from the zipper in 1932, leaving simply “Talon” as shown in post #101)

Military Contract? No, based upon the original and intact fabric lined pockets

Jacket Lining? Cotton, per Shawn’s test mentioned in post #47

Leather? Cow or horse (not goat or cape)

What we don’t know about Shawn's jacket:

Pretty much everything else. (That sounds about right, doesn't it?)

SAT jackets were fitted with Talon zippers, source; Eastman manual. And the SAT contract was produced
before the Werber 6225 contract.

Meaning the zipper does not preclude Shawn's jacket from being a Werber 6225 jacket.

 

[2BM2K]

One observation of early photo's that I find of interest is the positioning of the name tag. On A1 jackets the tag was placed above the left pocket.

In early photo's of A2 jackets the position of the tag was above the left pocket.

At some point in time the placement of the name tag was changed to the upper left chest area ( there are exceptions to this even in WW2).

From this it could be deduced that a jacket with a name tag above the left pocket was an earlier issued jacket, that is to say issued before a given date.

Looking at photo's of Werber jackets with the name tag above the pocket I have noticed that these jackets tend to have square pocket corners, similar to Shawn's jacket. This combination maybe an indicator of a 6225 contract.

Here is a photo example of one such jacket;