need help for shipping from US to Belgium

[dujardin]

hello all,

it could be possible that i bid on a jacket from a seller located in Peotone, Illinois.
he don't ship outside US but is okay to send the jacket to a US citizen; who will transfer it to me.

so, in case that i win the bid, who will help me ?
someone with paypal if possible... easier to pay back the shipping cost.

many thanks in advance

byeeeeee marcel

 

[fishmeok]

I'm on it Marcel, you can have him ship it to me and I will forward it. BTW I put a couple of your pics on my website-
Cheers
Mark

 

[asiamiles]

It's odd that sellers won't ship overseas yet will ship to someone else's address thus leaving themselves open to a buyer claiming non-delivery and getting their money back.

 

[havocpaul]

I've never understood it myself. Mainly US sellers...how hard is it for them to get a quote from the USGPO or a courrier? Not just jackets, my friend collects vehicle brochures and some sellers refuse to ship outside the US!

 

[dujardin]

I'm on it Marcel, you can have him ship it to me and I will forward it. BTW I put a couple of your pics on my website-
Cheers
Mark

1000 thanks Mark.
if i win the bid, i will use U as relay station.

i go directly on your site to see wich pictures u use.

many thanks again, thanks the VLJ and thanks to the international friendship between members

byebyeeeeeeeee marcel

 

[pipvh]

I don't understand either. I used to live in the US and shipped things back to Europe all the time. It's exactly the same transaction - pay money, hand over package. Yet when you ask some shippers whether they'll do it they can be quite rude. Not sure if it's xenophobia or just laziness...

 

[Andrew]

They are just small minded and it's just another form of Geocentrism. These guys are the world over-especially inhabiting small towns...like the one I live in. The only positive way I can rationalize this mentality is that they feel they are conserving some national heritage. The irony of this is that anyone interested in buying it from them is far more concerned with preserving it than they are and probably has a deeper knowledge of it as well.

 

[unclegrumpy]

One of the main issues that concern US sellers with sending their goods internationally is whether they will get paid or not. I know a lot of people who will not send anything internationally because they have burned by buyers claiming they never got the item or said they did not like it, and then having Paypal immediately pull the money back out of their accounts without ever checking to see if the item was sent back . Paypal is not very seller friendly.

Back in the old days when everything was done with postal money orders there were far fewer problems. These days, unless you know who is on the other end, it can be very risky especially dealing with countries like Russia, China, Taiwan, France, and even, yes Belgium.

Shaky postal systems or experiencing a few dishonest people playing the system cause everyone else to suffer. Most sellers I know just want to get paid and want to sell to whoever will pay them the most. I don't think they are all geocentric for not doing international sales, just worried they won't get their money.

Paypal is large part of the problem, and until they get some competition things will never change. There is probably a business opportunity out there for someone to create a middleman service to put the honest buyers and sellers together. Right now the sellers carry too much of the burden of risk in international transactions, and thats why they find it easier just to say no to them.

 

[havocpaul]

I remember this being a problem pre-eBay/Paypal so although that may have increased the issues I doubt it is the main reason, I bet many have never even tried to send overseas and are either to 'insular' or lazy to try it. An American friend told me that many of his fellow country men have never been abroad or even contemplated there being an 'overseas' at all! Surely with the distances between many States there is just as much chance of an item going missing as there would be using the airmail services available.

 

[Steve27752]

I always find that it is, or seems too be so expensive to have items shipped from the U.S. to the U.K.

 

[unclegrumpy]

I remember this being a problem pre-eBay/Paypal so although that may have increased the issues I doubt it is the main reason, I bet many have never even tried to send overseas and are either to 'insular' or lazy to try it.

This was the nut of the problem in the pre-eBay days. Back then, both the postal complexities for sending to each country, and the different methods and clearing times for getting paid could be daunting. There was often more paperwork than now, and it sometimes took some serious effort to keep brokers out of the process, which would make the transaction costs for even small transactions prohibitive.

Generally, things are much easier now....except for the risks of getting paid. I think eBay has done a lot to shrink the world and open up peoples minds. They have also done a lot to eliminate any competition with their Paypal arm by knocking out the use of postal money orders, bank drafts, Western Union, wire transfers and so forth from the scene. They don't seem to care as long as they are the ones getting paid.

Personally over the years, I have sent a lot of stuff overseas.....from big things like cars to small things like pins. However, I am sort of back to where I was before eBay in that I am only sending things overseas to people I already know or feel comfortable with....and those I don't know who offer some other form of payment than Paypal. That pretty much holds true for my dealings within the States as well. I don't do eBay because Paypal is no friendlier here either.

 

[unclegrumpy]

I always find that it is, or seems too be so expensive to have items shipped from the U.S. to the U.K.

US postal rates have gone up a lot in the past few years.

And not to harp on Paypal, but their rules require a higher level of postal handling than is often warranted. The sellers get no Paypal protection unless they get signatures and tracking, which both add to the shipping costs. That also tends to make sellers want to add full insurance, which both further drives up the bill and perks the Customs Agents up as well.

Another thing is that almost nothing goes Surface Mail anymore. It used to be most things did, and while it took more time, it was a lot cheaper. Now because sellers can't meet Paypal's transaction timeframes and handling requirements using it, everything goes Airmail and usually EMS (Global Express Mail) both of which cost more.

Once upon a time, most things were just put in a box and sent off Surface Mail. They eventually got to their destination....sometimes in a few weeks and sometimes in a few months. However, they always seemed to get there, and were rarely opened and further assessed by Customs.

 

[ausreenactor]

It's odd that sellers won't ship overseas yet will ship to someone else's address thus leaving themselves open to a buyer claiming non-delivery and getting their money back.

If the seller is happy to ship to the US proxy destination and registers the item, the buyer is able to start a dispute for non-receipt. But if they have the shipping address supplied by the bidder and the proof of shipment, paypal will still hit up the seller account. And then make the seller liable. If a buyer got the news that the item arrived in the US at the proxy location then the item went missing on the second leg. It would be poor form to hit the seller for an item not received dispute. And the seller would have every right to refuse the request.

Paypal demand that items are shipped to the registered Paypal address regardless. I have NEVER had an issue with a jacket failing to arrive. My two drawn out disputes have been with attempted mail fraud in China and France. And I am reluctant to ship to France and Italy, given they assign their own tracking numbers on arrival. China is great. China's post saved my bacon!! They updated the electronic delivery trail. China will rule the world one day!

Couchy

 

[asiamiles]

Back in the old days when everything was done with postal money orders there were far fewer problems. These days, unless you know who is on the other end, it can be very risky especially dealing with countries like Russia, China, Taiwan, France, and even, yes Belgium.

And even, yes America!

 

[unclegrumpy]

And even, yes America!

Absolutely! Sometimes I think about all America leads the world in is in idiots and jerks....we certainly have a lot of them, and seem to be producing more and more everyday.

 

[dujardin]

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
i also found an englishman who ship only in GB

http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... K:MEWAX:IT

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

nobody's perfect

i also found regarding Ricard collection, some french who refuse to ship to Belgium
can you imagine that from France to Belgium.... incredible

byeeeeeee marcel

 

[Persimmon]

Marcel,
If you want and win the statue let me know. I live in Nottingham. I will go round to his house and collect it and ship to Belgium for you no problems.

 

[dujardin]

Marcel,
If you want and win the statue let me know. I live in Nottingham. I will go round to his house and collect it and ship to Belgium for you no problems.

thank you very much my dear.
i just receive an answer from him this morning.
he is okay to send it to me.

again thanks for your help.
byeeeeeeee marcel