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flyboy

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Just stumbled over this rather great shot of a RAF bomber crew - all dressed up.
 

Smithy

Well-Known Member
Great photo Søren!

It's a heavy crew, so most probably a Lanc, Halifax or Stirling mob.

Cheers,

Tim
 

rich

New Member
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I thought this brilliant photo could use a helping hand. Would the aircraft in the background be theirs? If so, we're pre-war......... and I might well be wrong,
but did bomber crews wear 36 pattern boots?
Thanks for posting this great picture Soren.
 

flyboy

Member
I am pretty sure that 1936 pattern boots were used by both Fighter Command pilots and Bomber Command crews. Both pre-war and in 1940-41.

This is a photo from autumn 1940 - taken after a raid on Berlin
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And this early aircrew: (left)
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Chandler

Well-Known Member
flyboy said:
And this early aircrew: (left)
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Always loved those great uniform illustrations by Malcolm McGregor (or, is that Pierre Turner on those? They were pretty similar.).
 

Roughwear

Well-Known Member
Thanks for sharing this iconic picture Soren. It's interesting to see the range of fits for the jackets. Most appear to be made by Irvin Air Chute.
 

Peter Graham

Well-Known Member
rich said:
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I thought this brilliant photo could use a helping hand. Would the aircraft in the background be theirs? If so, we're pre-war......... and I might well be wrong,
but did bomber crews wear 36 pattern boots?
Thanks for posting this great picture Soren.

Hey Rich. Welcome back mate. I'd also say pre-war, and an official photo shoot. No other gear apart from one pair of gloves, also all brand new suits, combed hair and nice shiny boots. Great photo though.
 

rich

New Member
flyboy said:
I am pretty sure that 1936 pattern boots were used by both Fighter Command pilots and Bomber Command crews. Both pre-war and in 1940-41.

This is a photo from autumn 1940 - taken after a raid on Berlin

And this early aircrew: (left)

You are quite right Soren, thanks for reminding me - for some reason, I only associate Bomber crews with the 30 & 41 pattern suede boots. Perhaps it's because I've never seen fighter pilots wear them. Until you post a picture of one that is! ;)
 

rich

New Member
Chandler said:
Always loved those great uniform illustrations by Malcolm McGregor (or, is that Pierre Turner on those? They were pretty similar.).

Yes, they're superb aren't they. Andrew Mollo's 'Armed Forces of WW II' is jammed full of McGregor's illustrations. Just wished I'd remembered this one! I was (and still am) amazed by his work. Pino Dell'Orco for aircraft though ;)
 

rich

New Member
Peter Graham said:
I'd also say pre-war, and an official photo shoot. No other gear apart from one pair of gloves, also all brand new suits, combed hair and nice shiny boots. Great photo though.

Thanks Peter. They all look bright eyed and bushy tailed don't they? I wonder how many of them made it through :(
 

Lebensgefahr

Active Member
Hello Rich

Good to see you back :D

36 pattern boots were worn by all aircrew regardless of the command they served in.
While i wouldn`t say it never happened, you don`t tend to see fighter pilots of single engined aircraft wearing 40 or 41 pattern boots.
As a matter of interest the chap second left in the photo with the Whitley in the background, looks to be wearing pre war 30 pattern boots .
Although it depended what people were issued with, a lot of aircrew stuck with a particular piece of equipment if they liked it. I have plenty of photo`s of aircrew wearing B type helmets, 36 pattern boots etc late on in the war.
Although i`m not suggesting it was common, i have a great photo of a chap who has bolted the flip shield from a pair of Mk 1v`s straight on to his helmet.

LG
 

rich

New Member
Lebensgefahr said:
36 pattern boots were worn by all aircrew regardless of the command they served in.
While i wouldn`t say it never happened, you don`t tend to see fighter pilots of single engined aircraft wearing 40 or 41 pattern boots.
As a matter of interest the chap second left in the photo with the Whitley in the background, looks to be wearing pre war 30 pattern boots .
Although it depended what people were issued with, a lot of aircrew stuck with a particular piece of equipment if they liked it. I have plenty of photo`s of aircrew wearing B type helmets, 36 pattern boots etc late on in the war.
Although i`m not suggesting it was common, i have a great photo of a chap who has bolted the flip shield from a pair of Mk 1v`s straight on to his helmet. LG

Thanks LG. I'd be interested to see your pic if it's easily uploaded - assuming you want to of course!
 

Lebensgefahr

Active Member
Hello Rich

Please find below the photo as requested. Sorry for the poor quality.

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Somehow i don`t think this was normal practice :eek:

LG
 

coanda

Member
My tupence worth!
Surely this a "posed" picture of guys "training"? the aircraft in the back ground would appear to be Tiger Moths? I would likewise go with pre war......
A crakin' picture what ever....
Regards to all
Rick
 

rich

New Member
Lebensgefahr said:
Hello Rich

Please find below the photo as requested. Sorry for the poor quality.

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Somehow i don`t think this was normal practice :eek:

LG

Thanks LG - but it's a dummy run, you'll have to go round again........... :?
 

Lebensgefahr

Active Member
Hello Rich

The picture uploaded successfully here but then i cleared out some photo`s in my photobucket library not realising that it would delete it here. I thought that once it was uploaded here that was it. Obviously i was wrong :oops:

Second time lucky
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LG :ugeek:
 

rich

New Member
Lebensgefahr said:
Hello Rich
The picture uploaded successfully here but then i cleared out some photo`s in my photobucket library not realising that it would delete it here. I thought that once it was uploaded here that was it. Obviously i was wrong :oops: LG :ugeek:


That one worked, many thanks LG. I assume he did this to create 'instant sunglasses' without having to faff about with his goggles? I've certainly never seen this done before but I'm confident that if it were a common modification, you'd surely have a pair in your collection.
 

Lebensgefahr

Active Member
Hello Rich

It`s one of those things that if you saw it at a military fair you wouldn`t believe it. A nice thing to have if you knew it was real but a bit Heath Robinson for me.
One thing i have learned is that if one piece of kit could be put with something else you can bet your bottom dollar that somebody somewhere did it.
I know a Mossie navigator who after going to an escape and evasion lecture took out the kapok pads in his Mae West and stuffed clothes in instead. What price bouyancy !

LG
 
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