GW RW 27752 size 46

[Roughwear]

Jeff is selling another GW which he has worn for 6 months. It has developed a nice vintage patina and is difficult to distinguish from an original. I wonder which GW his has ordered from John now?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/A-2-A2-Flight-Jac ... 4cef35647b

 

[rich]

You're kidding Andrew, he's selling it in order to finance his new ELC 27752!

Seriously though, IMO it's an absolute beauty and I'm surprised he's letting it go. I wonder if he's kept any of them so far?

 

[Roughwear]

Rich, it's a fantastic jacket he should keep it IMO. I think he will find it very hard to upgrade. Perhaps he' just bored with it. The guy never seems to keep an A2 for very long. :roll:

 

[High Iron]

Good looking jacket. Andrew, given the measurements, do you think this compares to a size 48?

 

[Roughwear]

It compares to some original RW 48s or a modern 46 IMO.

 

[bseal]

Rumor has it, J.C. reverse engineered an original 27752, an upgrade is coming that will make the previous GW version jealous. Thus, the sale.

 

[High Iron]

Jealous or not, I think I may have to take a shot at this one.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's be honest guys, we all know it's only a question of time before Good Wear starts doing a line of knock-off Eastman jackets

I wonder what sort of loss Jeff has taken on all the Good Wears he's sold of late ? Has he replaced them with more Good wears or perhaps Eastmans ? :twisted:

As an expert on these jackets, has Jeff listed the jacket correctly as a Goodwear rather than Good Wear ?

Dave

 

[Cobblers161]

As far as I'm aware Jeff tends to buy the test jackets John makes. Getting them at a lower price he largely either gets his money back or makes a small profit so it's not like he losing anything. Also perhaps he's no horder and has a limit to the amount of repros he allows himself.

The problem with JC's jackets is they just keep getting better.

 

[Roughwear]

Rumor has it, J.C. reverse engineered an original 27752, an upgrade is coming that will make the previous GW version jealous. Thus, the sale.

The is true. John has recently used another original as a pattern for his latest 27752s and has produced an even more accurate repro.

http://www.goodwearleather.com/photos/RW27752_03_46/

 

[Anonymous]

As far as I'm aware Jeff tends to buy the test jackets John makes. Getting them at a lower price he largely either gets his money back or makes a small profit so it's not like he losing anything. Also perhaps he's no horder and has a limit to the amount of repros he allows himself.

The problem with JC's jackets is they just keep getting better.

That's a fair point regarding loss. Not aware myself of how much Jeff paid for each of his jackets.

Regarding Good Wear's accuracy: if everyone was falling over themselves at how accurate John's jackets were and they have gotten ever more accurate, three things occur to me :
1) why would anyone want to buy any of the even slightly older GW jackets ?
2) if they keep getting ever more accurate but are not yet totally accurate, at what point should one actually buy one ? If each type gets better each evolution, when will the limit be reached ?
3) how can we quantify the accuracy of any repro makers jackets ? Were the early GW say
75% accurate and are they now 85% accurate ? The words "1942 in a box" have been bandied about so often only to be trumped so often as to be meaningless.

Dave

 

[bseal]

Actually, Jeff pays full price.

 

[Cobblers161]

Ah! That's my argument blown out the water then.

I'll get me coat.

 

[Roughwear]

As far as I'm aware Jeff tends to buy the test jackets John makes. Getting them at a lower price he largely either gets his money back or makes a small profit so it's not like he losing anything. Also perhaps he's no horder and has a limit to the amount of repros he allows himself.

The problem with JC's jackets is they just keep getting better.

That's a fair point regarding loss. Not aware myself of how much Jeff paid for each of his jackets.

Regarding Good Wear's accuracy: if everyone was falling over themselves at how accurate John's jackets were and they have gotten ever more accurate, three things occur to me :
1) why would anyone want to buy any of the even slightly older GW jackets ?
2) if they keep getting ever more accurate but are not yet totally accurate, at what point should one actually buy one ? If each type gets better each evolution, when will the limit be reached ?
3) how can we quantify the accuracy of any repro makers jackets ? Were the early GW say
75% accurate and are they now 85% accurate ? The words "1942 in a box" have been bandied about so often only to be trumped so often as to be meaningless.

Dave

Do I detect an attempt to start an argument with GW fans here?

John has only been making jackets for the last few years. During this time he has honed his skills as a maker and has copied the nuances of a wide range of different original maker A2s, naval jackets and civi ones too. This really is quite an achievement. Yes, his A2s have generally got better over time. For example he now uses the correct United Carr snaps, knits which now perfectly match those found on orignals, leather which is as close as you can get to '40s leather and by examining multiple examples of the same A2 over this time he has now really nailed each contract's details. Some of the leather used on his earlier jackets was not as authentic looking as some of the current leather he uses and there were issues with the finish wearing off quickly.This has never been an issue with his goatskin as far as I know. Until 2009 the knits were too ribbed and the snaps on the earlier A2s were not completely accurate. This has changed now.

I'm not sure you can place a percentage on the accuracy of his current crop of A2s with any objectivity. Remember there were variations within each contract and batches of leather/colour also varied. No one can say when the limit of GW repro evolution will be achieved. It will vary from contract to contract and jacket to jacket.

The main thing though is to enjoy wearing his custom-made jackets.

 

[Andrew]

Not to miss a chance to sink a boot in ( :lol: :lol: ) I reckon a lot of John's success has to do with clearly letting you know what you'll get for your money. He's extremely generous with providing such wonderfully descriptive photos and educational descriptions (not unlike the menu of a schmancy restaurant) of all of his offerings which immediately conjure feelings of desire. This is essential with purchases over the net. ELC and particularly RMNZ have a way to go in this department.

 

[Clark J]

I've said it before even with a new Eastman in the house,if the house was on fire and I could only grab one jacket it would be my GW goat Dubow!!

 

[Roughwear]

Not to miss a chance to sink a boot in ( :lol: :lol: ) I reckon a lot of John's success has to do with clearly letting you know what you'll get for your money. He's extremely generous with providing such wonderfully descriptive photos and educational descriptions (not unlike the menu of a schmancy restaurant) of all of his offerings which immediately conjure feelings of desire. This is essential with purchases over the net. ELC and particularly RMNZ have a way to go in this department.

This is very true. John's personal service is second to none. He's easy to talk to and very flexible, which not all makers are.

 

[Clark J]

WOW!!!!$810????I paid under $750 for my new Eastman 352nd Monarch!Shipped!!

 

[Weasel_Loader]

It is pretty amazing how much wear the jacket has and still gets the price. My Dubow 20960 didn't have as much wear but did have name tag stitch holes and stencil inside liner and still got $780. Surprised me, but really does show how popular these jackets are on the secondary market.

 

[CBI]

People are willing to pay a lot for used so they don't have to wait "x" months. Not being critical of the wait time ........................