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"Flying Trapeze" A-2 photo's

oose

Active Member
Here is a nice selection of A-2 for you , SAT, Werber. I'm sure you all know the these pilots! but I've not seen these shots of them before. These are up for sale on ebay at the moment, if anyone buy's them please send me some high res scans!




All the best
stu
 

zoomer

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Great sleuthing oose!

In order, they are Sgt. Luke Williamson (Security jacket); Sgt. Billy McDonald (Werber); and Capt. Claire Chennault (Werber). Dates between 1934, when the small, gold stamped name tags were adopted, and '36, when the team disbanded.

A little background on the 3 Men on the Flying Trapeze from this site:

The "Three Men on the Flying Trapeze" aerobatic display team was organized at the US Air Corps Tactical School at Maxwell Field, Alabama in 1932. The team flew P-12 pursuit planes. The team was formed by ex-"Three Musketeers" member Capt. Claire L. Chennault and was finally disbanded in 1936...

Chennault had used a simple method to choose the team. Anyone who could fly with him in his P-12 for 30 minutes of head-spinning aerobatics would be selected. Although many tried, only Lt Haywood S. "Possum" Hansell, Sgt John H. Williamson, and Sgt William C. McDonald accomplished this feat and were consequently selected by Chennault to join the team.

A trophy was presented to the team during the All-American Air Races at Miami, Florida in 1935.

During the four years of the "Three Men on the Flying Trapeze" team's existence, they performed in approximately 50 airshows in front of more than 50,000 people.
The Trapeze were actually the AAC's second stunt team, after the ill-fated Three Musketeers.
 

Silver Surfer

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interesting to see these pix in a high rez scan. they give us a real idea of what these early jacs looked like, hide, and fit wise. interestingly, the sat either has really long arms or williamson has really short arms. the other jacs look to fit properly, but they too have longer arms. i have seen this in many early a-2 pix, as well as early wwll pix. then, like magic, in later wwll pix the arms appear shorter. yes, yes, yes, they do shorten with wear, but.....i understand evolution, but in the course of 3-5 period during the early-mid 20th century, did american males go from t-rex to orang?
 

zoomer

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Silver Surfer said:
interesting to see these pix in a high rez scan......i understand evolution, but in the course of 3-5 period during the early-mid 20th century, did american males go from t-rex to orang?
Any speculation you care to make on Greatest Generation Minus One vs. Greatest Generation would surely be entertaining.
 

Dr H

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TOMG1401 said:
look at the weight of the wrist knits on the SAT compared to the Werbers'

The SAT also appears to have proportionately longer wrist knits than most contracts (better seen on period photos with longer armed pilots).
 

Chandler

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Silver Surfer said:
interestingly, the sat either has really long arms or williamson has really short arms.

I can see what you're pointing out, but the cuffs sure aren't tunneling like some repros tend to. Another manufacture mystery to add to the list.
 

Chandler

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TankBuster said:
That's a great shot of Chennault!

Does anyone know if that's the same A-2 he wore with the Tigers? And if not, just how many jackets were pilots issued in their service tenure?
 

TankBuster

Active Member
Chandler said:
TankBuster said:
That's a great shot of Chennault!

Does anyone know if that's the same A-2 he wore with the Tigers? And if not, just how many jackets were pilots issued in their service tenure?


It's not uncommon to have long tenured pilots be issued more than one A-2. I've personally seen a couple well documented groups where guys were issued more than one A-2 and they served for far less time than Chennault did! I'm sure some of the higher ranking officers were entitled to more than one if that's what they wanted.
 

zoomer

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Every pilot on Hap Arnold's 1934 Alaska flight got a new Werber with a special patch commemorating the achievement. Pix suggest most got a size larger than usual, perhaps for extra layering.

Some pix of Security A-2s, otoh, show them seriously weathered, as if the finish didn't hold up to use. There's even one shot with what looks like a pocket missing. So perhaps there were issues with durability yet to be worked out in that first contract.
 

zoomer

Well-Known Member
zoomer said:
Every pilot on Hap Arnold's 1934 Alaska flight got a new Werber with a special patch commemorating the achievement. Pix suggest most got a size larger than usual, perhaps for extra layering.

Some pix of Security A-2s, otoh, show them seriously weathered, as if the finish didn't hold up to use. There's even one shot with what looks like a pocket missing. So perhaps there were issues with durability yet to be worked out in that first contract.

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Lieuts. Tibbets, Walker, Bronson. Hamilton Field, late '30s.
 

herk115

Active Member
TankBuster said:
Chandler said:
TankBuster said:
That's a great shot of Chennault!

Does anyone know if that's the same A-2 he wore with the Tigers? And if not, just how many jackets were pilots issued in their service tenure?


It's not uncommon to have long tenured pilots be issued more than one A-2. I've personally seen a couple well documented groups where guys were issued more than one A-2 and they served for far less time than Chennault did! I'm sure some of the higher ranking officers were entitled to more than one if that's what they wanted.


I have pictures of my father in no less than three different A-2s during his war years. I don't know the circumstances, but multiple issue was certainly possible. Then again, at one point he was a supply officer, so he may have known how to pull the appropriate strings. I suppose, though, that during the peacetime air force, when the regulations state that one's garments must be "clean, dry, and serviceable," that when an A-2 got a bit worn it could be taken back to supply and exchanged for a new one. I was never bashful about asking for new CWUs, flight suits, nomex gloves, etc., and they were granted as asked for.
 
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