Could this be a M422(A)?

[Ualman]

This is one of my 1st jackets I bought several years ago.
Unfortunately the label is missing, but I will post some pics so maybe one of you very knowledgeable people here can help me identify it.

It has the larger left pocket with an added pencil slot, brown mouton collar and a red lining.
No USN stenciling visible, neither on windflap nor on the rear of the collar.
It is named (on inside pocket) to Earl F. Weir. Couldn’t out anything about him, but he also added A.C.E.M. , USN
This stands for Aviation Chief Electrician’s Mate, which was Chief Petty Officer during WW2.

Hope someone can identify it, without a label. And not a lot of identifiable things per kind of jacket/manufacturer.


Guus

 

[Bombing IP]

PICTURES ARE TOO SMALL

 

[Ualman]

PICTURES ARE TOO SMALL

They show big(ger) when I click on them here.

 

[Ualman]

Ok, let’s see if they come up bigger right away now.
Sorry about that

 

[Ualman]

My apologies for the double pics.

 

[mulceber]

The salmon lining, pointed collar, and talon zipper say M-422 or M-422A to me, but there are other people here who know these jackets way better than I do.

 

[Ualman]

The salmon lining, pointed collar, and talon zipper say M-422 or M-422A to me, but there are other people here who know these jackets way better than I do.

Thank you for your quick reply and info Mulceber.

 

[mulceber]

You’re welcome. I’m looking forward to learning more about this jacket based on what the experts say.

Also, I just read the text of your post more closely - if it’s got a pencil slot, I think it should be the M-422A, not the M-422.

 

[Ualman]

You’re welcome. I’m looking forward to learning more about this jacket based on what the experts say.

Also, I just read the text of your post more closely - if it’s got a pencil slot, I think it should be the M-422A, not the M-422.

thank you.
Shame I couldn’t find out more about him. Would be so interesting, giving the jacket a story.
And about the pencil slot, thought so as well.
Wasn’t there just one manufacturer who made them with the extra slot?

Thank you again for your help!

 

[Brettafett]

I'm inclined to say M422-A, for all the reasons Mulceber's said (M422's were early and did not have the pencil slot). Collar says Gordon & Ferguson to me...
Its possible it could be an AN6552, but from what I understand, they didn't have pencil slots...

 

[Ualman]

I'm inclined to say M422-A, for all the reasons Mulceber's said (M422's were early and did not have the pencil slot). Collar says Gordon & Ferguson to me...
Its possible it could be an AN6552, but from what I understand, they didn't have pencil slots...

Thank you for the info Brettafett.
Amazing how great those jackets can look after all those years, “even” if it is an AN6652 and not an M422A

 

[mulceber]

And if someone can confirm Gordon & Ferguson, you could probably get a replacement label for the jacket.

 

[Brettafett]

If you're serious about getting the best info, you could try Maverickson on this forum.
Super knowledgeable and he also restores USN jackets to perfection.

 

[mulceber]

Agreed - if nothing else, he might be able to offer some advice on care.

 

[ties70]

I cannot contribute to the question of G&F or not, but what I always find remarkable about old USN jackets is the quality of their hides.

I had a BLOCK, which was later restored by Steve Sellers, and an Ostermann...both jackets did show their goatskin in such robust and well-preserved condition that there was absolutely no question that these jackets could be wearers for decades to come.

Goatskin is totally underrated!

Ties

 

[Brettafett]

Oh yeah, another good call. Steve Sellers! He made an HL Block M422-a for me. The goatskin was almost identical to an original FO M422-a I owned.
Pity it was just a bit on the large side or I;'d still have that.

Check out these G&F originals... Particularly, the collar.

Original Gordon & Furguson M422a

Howdy gang. I had a few questions about this Gordon and Ferguson M422a I just picked up. I was wondering if anyone could help me get a rough date on it, the contract is NXs 416. I was also wondering if anyone could tell me what the going rate for a really nice original like this one is. I picked...

www.thefedoralounge.com

Mint Gordon & Ferguson M-422A with War Assets Administration documentation

I haven't bought many jackets lately but i bought 3 that all came from the same location last week. They are all unused and one (the G&F) was demilitarized (removal of label and USN wiped out) and in the pocket was the original sales receipt from the War Assets Administration dated 1947. I had...

www.vintageleatherjackets.org

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/647955465112878922/

 

[mulceber]

I cannot contribute to the question of G&F or not, but what I always find remarkable about old USN jackets is the quality of their hides.

I had a BLOCK, which was later restored by Steve Sellers, and an Ostermann...both jackets did show their goatskin in such robust and well-preserved condition that there was absolutely no question that these jackets could be wearers for decades to come.

Goatskin is totally underrated!

Ties

Agreed completely on Goatskin. I find it takes FOREVER to develop character, but once it does, it's possibly the best leather out there, and it lasts forever. Both my '60s G-1 and especially my AN-J-3 look like they're 20-30 years old, and they feel more robust than my original A-2s.

 

[B-Man2]

Not an expert either, but I’d say it’s an M-422A based on all the info previously discussed and the Talon zipper. It has all of the traits of an M-422 A . The USN missing from the collar could have easily worn off over the years .

 

[Silver Surfer]

g&f or block m-422a.i forget which if not both had the one wider slotted pocket. both had the pointy collar lobes, and both had salmon colored liners. both had m-42 talons. that the jacket does not have us on the back of the collar would indicate that it was possibly made for the civy market, or px purchase. and yes, as a rule, the goat hides on the m series jackets was high quality, and have held up well over the many years.

 

[mulceber]

Another possibility: I recall hearing that a lot of pilots took out the labels from their jackets so that they could claim they were private purchase and therefore that they could take them home. I wonder if this pilot removed the label and took acetone or a similar solvent to the back of the collar to remove the USN for good measure.