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Civi Doniger up for sale again!!

J

JDAM

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Roughwear said:
This one has certainly done the rounds.
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I was the original owner of this jacket and sold it to John years ago. I remember his knee interest in it. At the time, I didn't have a clue about its origins or Doniger creds. Besides, it's clearly of historical / techncial interest, though if you want my candid opinion, it isn't a very decent example of an A-2. I think it has done the rounds just because it's peculiar - an oddity and subject of nerdy jacket spotter interest. But it never really struck me as a wearer (though it is/was in very good condition and wearable) and doesn't possess the same character as an issued HH or goat A-2. Maybe that's why it gets passed around.
 
B-Man2

B-Man2

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Lets take a forum pole and see how far this jacket has traveled.

I owned it.............USA, Florida
 
Dr H

Dr H

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JDAM said:
nerdy jacket spotter interest.
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Oi! That's fighting talk where I come from...

;)

I loved it, but the cape is fragile at the shoulders.
The sleeves were too long for me (and I couldn't bring myself to do anything to it in the way of shortening).
Lovely pattern though... :)
 
Dr H

Dr H

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JDAM said:
Dr H said:
JDAM said:
I remember his knee interest in it.
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Did he go out on a limb to buy it...? :twisted:
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I purchased a collection of about 50 A-2 at the time. This one was an oddity so it went for a low (fair) price.
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***Irony alert... knee = limb....***

I know, John sold it on to me for a fair price too...
 
RayR

RayR

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I'm glad it's not just me, the relative newbie, who thought this price was over the top. I messaged with this seller and haggled over the price for a while today on Facebook. He even suggested I trade him my excellent condition Bronco A-2 and throw in $500, LOL. He said excellent condition Bronco A-2's are pretty easy to come by in Europe. :roll:
 
Dr H

Dr H

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It's a lovely jacket and very comfortable, but the capeskin (or cabretta) is not very robust for use as a regular wearer - it needs careful use.
The goatskin of the mil spec Doniger is a stronger skin.
 
RayR

RayR

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Dr H said:
It's a lovely jacket and very comfortable, but the capeskin (or cabretta) is not very robust for use as a regular wearer - it needs careful use.
The goatskin of the mil spec Doniger is a stronger skin.
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Interesting. I thought they were only run in goat. I was not even aware of the civi run until now. The seller said he thought it was very soft horsehide. From what I understand, capeskin is basically sheepskin, correct?
 
Dr H

Dr H

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Basically sheepskin (originally South African) so thinner and much more fragile than most hides encountered here. When it begins to wear badly, the skin delaminates and so it tends to flake (goat can shed pebbles if it rots, but when well tanned and in good condition, it's a more robust material).
A number of the bigger (or more well established) wartime contractors (Doniger, Dubow, Perry) either sold surplus stock (with civilian badges) or ran up civilian versions of the wartime jackets using slightly different hardware.
In this case, David D Doniger retailed the jacket through his company under the McGregor Sportswear label using the same pattern but with different zip/zip tape, snaps, lining and duo-coloured knits.
 
Dr H

Dr H

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That was also previously mine (the repair to the neck lining was executed by my own hand) - sold on as it was a generous 40, but too snug around the chest.
The cuffs were replaced by Matt S (Skip), who bought it from me.
The M-442A that I have now is virtually identical save the addition of a mouton collar (and a coupe of inches more chest room :) ).
 
J

JDAM

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Dr H said:
That was also previously mine (the repair to the neck lining was executed by my own hand) - sold on as it was a generous 40, but too snug around the chest.
The cuffs were replaced by Matt S (Skip), who bought it from me.
The M-442A that I have now is virtually identical save the addition of a mouton collar (and a coupe of inches more chest room :) ).
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The 422 is a sweet jacket.
 
Dr H

Dr H

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Comfy too, Simon (thanks).

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Sorry, just realised that you're right - I've been mistakenly calling it an M-422A, but there's no separate pencil slot so it is an M-422.
 
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