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Randolph Flying Field April 1938 Big pictures

Falcon_52

Active Member
Great pictures! I hope my Werber A-2 looks like that someday; it's getting closer every year. Thanks, Stu.

Noel
 

deand

Active Member
The sleeves on that Werber look a bit short in some of those shots. The A-1 looks very nice. Great pics as always! Thanks!








dean
 

dmar836

Well-Known Member
Awesome. Sleeves look fine to me!
I do think Chaney's goggles have the largest pad I've seen!

Dave
KC
 

zoomer

Well-Known Member
Brig. Gen. James E. Chaney was then Acting Assistant Chief of the Air Corps and CO of the Randolph Field training center.

Comparing these pix to the group from Camp Skeel, Mich. in 1940, I'm guessing there were no regs as to whether the A-2 was to be under the flight suit or over it. The decision may have related to climate at ground level - can you be messing about on the flightline in full kit without overheating? Easier in Michigan than Texas in any season.

Also - that lieutenant is wearing a Werber no doubt (no blousing at the waist). But is it a '33 or the elusive '36?
 

Falcon_52

Active Member
It's difficult to tell from those photos but it sure looks like a '33 Werber. The epaulette stitching and overlapping inner sleeve seam would place it in the '33 camp. Then again, I've never seen pictures of a '36 Werber so maybe they had those features in common.

Noel
 

Weasel_Loader

Active Member
I don't see any seem on the sleeve end. Don't see how this could be a '33 Werber. Am I missing something?

Those are great photos and good reference. Thanks for posting these. ;)
 

zoomer

Well-Known Member
Weasel_Loader said:
I don't see any seem on the sleeve end. Don't see how this could be a '33 Werber. Am I missing something?
The Werber 39-2951P had the topstitching at the waist, but NOT at the cuffs. (See Good Wear's repro here.)
But this was a little early for that contract to be in the pipeline - never mind for it to look so well broken in.

The Werber 36-1112P - or their 38-205, which I just now learned about - well, those who know ain't talkin'.

I suppose it's possible that no examples survive of some of these 30s contracts.
That far east site that has the A-2 label pix didn't have a shot for 38-205.
 

Weasel_Loader

Active Member
So we would have to assume that since the photo was taken in '38; the A-2 in the photo is either '36 Werber or that crazy '37 HLB? That is unless there is some other mystery A-2 contracts out there we don't know about. No doubt, we're all nuts just thinking about this stuff. :lol:
 

zoomer

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FWIW, here's The Few's repro of the HLB 37-3891P.
Topstitched waist - but not cuffs. No blousing at the waist either. What do y'all think?

That is unless there is some other mystery A-2 contracts out there we don't know about. No doubt, we're all nuts just thinking about this stuff. :lol:

Possible other contracts about which all information has been destroyed:
Pastrami Bros. Inc. 34-314
Dobbin Apparel 35-23
I. Kvetch & Sons 35-108
Hevy-Dooty Glove & Apron 36-927
A.C. Greer Co. 36-1113P
Naugatuck Rendering & Glue 37-1689J
:lol:
 

Falcon_52

Active Member
I think Danny is right. It looks like there is no topstitching on the sleeve end. I missed that before. Maybe '36 is right then. Of course, zoomer may be on to something with the forgotten Pastrami Brothers order number! :)

Noel
 

deeb7

Gone, but not forgotten.
Falcon_52 said:
I think Danny is right. It looks like there is no topstitching on the sleeve end. I missed that before. Maybe '36 is right then.

The '33 contract is pictured in Full Gear, with thumbnails of the details. The pockets are quite small, but it all seems to match, until I notice no top stitching ... I guess the knits have been replaced.

So yes, a '36 ... or a '33 with the sleeves shortened.
 

zoomer

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Speaking of contracts - what's the P stand for? Quite a few prewar contracts had Ps, as well as a few wartime ones (RW 42-1401P, Aero 42-15142P).
 

zoomer

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'splain please...

If the govt. Passed on (rejected) a contract, why would there be any garments with a P?

If the govt. had to inspect and Pass (approve) a contract, why would there be any garments without a P?
 
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