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The A2 jacket worn by Richard Winters in Band of Brothers

Teddy

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So I have been obsessed with Major Richard Winters' A2 since my brain registered A2 as a special thing over a year ago. Funny how when I watched Band of Brothers as a kid, I never paid extra attention to the A2 jackets or the Corcoran jump boots but more to the rifles.

Wanting to know the details of this jacket, I've even contacted 2 museums that display some of Winters' uniforms. Neither has the A2. So I've consulted Andrew privately, who believes it to be a Dubow. But being the critical thinker I am, I'd also like to make my judgement and went through all the repro sites I could find and studied a bit more as a way for me to learn more about the different A2 contracts. Let's say I'm studying secondary resources given the lack of primary resources at hand haha. My conclusion below might be wrong so do let me know what you think!

Here it goes:

This photo below shows the more curved pocket flaps and it looks very much like the iconic Dubow 27798 pocket flap. But there might be a small chance it's a Rough Wear. The jacket is a seal version and there seems to have been some repair work done by Winters on the cuffs or the knit? The position of his name tag and regiment badge are the same as in the last photo below when Winters wore his new jacket in 1942, but the 101st Screaming Eagle and Airborne patches on the left shoulder were added later when 506th became part of the 101st Airborne.
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This photo reveals a lot about the jacket because of the gigantic rectangular box on the epaulet and the shape of the collar tip. Must have been a Dubow since Rough Wear does not have such gigantic boxes, nor do other contracts that came out before 1942.
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This photo, because of the filtering, actually confused me of the color of the leather but I decided to base the color on the first photo. A seal and most likely not a russet.
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Here's Lt. Winters showing off his new leather jacket after qualifying for paratrooper as an officer. Since he joined 506th Regiment in Tocoa in the summer of July 1942 (might be wrong here), and Dubow 27798 came out in April 1942, I made the conclusion that it's highly likely that Winters wore a seal Dubow 27798.
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Like Andrew, I believe it's a Dubow and I go further to speculate it's a Dubow 27798. This is the reason I went for a seal Dubow with Platon's new company. I've admired Winters since I first learned about him in the TV series so I want a jacket that's based on the same pattern he wore.
 

tjoenn

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I've read everything I've managed to find about Winters and Band of Brothers. I can't imagine there ever was a better soldier than him! (and what a person in general)
 

zoomer

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I think it was he who mused that being under an unprofessional officer such as Herb Sobol was good training - and not because you have to learn to get the job done in spite of him, or not just because of that.

It was kind of a modern-day philosophy - war can present any kind of stress, overload, or demoralization, so creating those conditions can be useful, even crucial in training.
 
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Teddy

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I've read everything I've managed to find about Winters and Band of Brothers. I can't imagine there ever was a better soldier than him! (and what a person in general)
I read Band of Brothers and autobiography of Winters. Which ones would you recommend?

Truly a pity that a man like him did not take on bigger roles. The likes of Lt. Dike advanced better because of ties and networks...
 

Kennyz

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This was interesting, nkang, thanks. I've wondered what kind A2 Major Winter's had as well. Your assessment makes sense, and if Andrew and John think it's a Dubow then no doubt it is.

Ken
 

Smithy

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I can't imagine there ever was a better soldier than him! (and what a person in general)

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain was pretty good. Chesty Puller, too (though technically you shouldn't call him a soldier!). But yeah, Winters is one for the ages.

Look up Charles Upham. He makes even Achilles and Heracles look like a couple of softies ;)
 

tjoenn

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I read Band of Brothers and autobiography of Winters. Which ones would you recommend?

Truly a pity that a man like him did not take on bigger roles. The likes of Lt. Dike advanced better because of ties and networks...

I had to go look in my bookshelf and that's the two I also have. I was sure I read at least three books, but it's been so long, maybe it was just those two...
 

Juanito

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Wanting to know the details of this jacket, I've even contacted 2 museums that display some of Winters' uniforms. Neither has the A2.

Given the relatively recency of the photos, I wonder where the jacket is? I have a hard time believing it was "lost" with the intersted in the man and the BoB.
 
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Teddy

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Given the relatively recency of the photos, I wonder where the jaclet is? I have a bad time believing it was lost with the intersted in the man and the BoB.
Probably kept by the family? Or perhaps in another museum that we need to dig into. I really thought of finding a way to contact his family...but haven't really found anything yet.
 

Teddy

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I think it was he who mused that being under an unprofessional officer such as Herb Sobol was good training - and not because you have to learn to get the job done in spite of him, or not just because of that.

It was kind of a modern-day philosophy - war can present any kind of stress, overload, or demoralization, so creating those conditions can be useful, even crucial in training.
Agree with your thought here.

Another observation I have is: When I was in the Corps as a cadet, what I observed is that when the upperclassmen really go wild into abusing the new cadets, the new cadets would form a very cohesive core (some who don't fit in might be bullied out) that sticks together while other new cadets in other units would behave like a pool of sand, always falling apart when facing challenges. Easy company was that good because of Sobel's training and abusing. It wouldn't be the BoB without Sobel, but it would be annihilated on the battlefield had Sobel been the CO in charge...
 

tjoenn

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Agree with your thought here.

Another observation I have is: When I was in the Corps as a cadet, what I observed is that when the upperclassmen really go wild into abusing the new cadets, the new cadets would form a very cohesive core (some who don't fit in might be bullied out) that sticks together while other new cadets in other units would behave like a pool of sand, always falling apart when facing challenges. Easy company was that good because of Sobel's training and abusing. It wouldn't be the BoB without Sobel, but it would be annihilated on the battlefield had Sobel been the CO in charge...
Agree, Sobel certainly served his purpose even though he probably never realized it. What a very sad life that man had, and the end wasn't any better...
 

Juanito

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Probably kept by the family? Or perhaps in another museum that we need to dig into. I really thought of finding a way to contact his family...but haven't really found anything yet.

It would be extremely easy to do this by simply tracking down his family via his obituary--but it is a bit stalker-like. As far as I know, the family hasn't been real transient and is in the Ephrata/Lebanon/Hershey, PA area. His daughter, Jill, is a somewhat known artist in the area.

https://m.legacy.com/obituaries/ldn...s-dick&pid=147737263&referrer=0&preview=false
 

B-Man2

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I spend a lot of time in the area of Lancaster Pa. The area is a predominantly Amish, Quaker, Mennonite and Pennsylvania Dutch community. They, for the most part, are a fairly private society who stays to themselves . Winters was for the most part that way in his daily life, although he did agree to limited public appearances after the release of the BOB Series. In my opinion trying to contact the family, in an effort to locate his jacket, would seem to be an intrusion into their privacy and in some ways diminish the significance of the achievements of the man himself. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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