The $500 Good Wear

[ausreenactor]

well, with all the BK basing that has gone on, I must say this jacket looks pretty damn good!!! yep, stitch holes destroy the value.

I wish that I could tell the entire story of WHY BK has been banished, but suffice to say if you knew the entire story, including fraudulent claims, cyber stalking and worse, you would see that both forums were completely justified and that the bashing definitely started with Platon/Falzon and not the rest of us.

Suffice to say, if there is a perfect example of "biting the hand that feeds you", this situation was it!

Enough said, and now back to your regularly scheduled Diamond/Good Wear bashing.

It would be good if the forum had the testicular fortitude to explain it. Not GW bashing, just linking to the latest fiscal assessment on eBay. At least you have the pleasure of responding to any criticism or comment here on VLJ.

 

[ButteMT61]

The forum doesn't owe any of us an explanation for what they do behind the scenes.
And I imagine Dave, et al have the right of response due to the fact that they know how to behave. It's a pretty simple formula.

 

[ausreenactor]

If you only knew!

So tell us?

They don't have to tell us!

Got it...

This - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reproduction-WW ... true&rt=nc

Evolved to this - "I wish that I could tell the entire story of WHY BK has been banished, but suffice to say if you knew the entire story, including fraudulent claims, cyber stalking and worse, you would see that both forums were completely justified and that the bashing definitely started with Platon/Falzon and not the rest of us."

Great Jedi mind flip Gents...

 

[ButteMT61]

You caught us, Trev. The whole lot of online f*gg*ts colluded to take down BK!

DD, Aero, GW, Himel - and us, the supporting cast. Thank god for Facebook man - where the 4-5 guys who don't care about someone's character can LOL! at all the rest of us chumps over on the BK pages. We've even managed to sell more jackets according to their posts, so you should be happy!

:roll:

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Leave me out of the "whole lot" He may have pissed off some folks here, and I am privy to the details of his banishment, but I found him to be funny, honest, and an actual participant of this forum with regular useful information and offerings.

And Trev, you're dead on, it's the opinions here that transform a thread like this one into a rant. How about some relevant and useful comments fellas?

 

[ausreenactor]

Leave me out of the "whole lot" He may have pissed off some folks here, and I am privy to the details of his banishment, but I found him to be funny, honest, and an actual participant of this forum with regular useful information and offerings.

Sean, you are an exemplar on the forum. Stay classy....

 

[ButteMT61]

Oh puh-lease! This thread was nothing more than a thinly veiled dig at GW - not some "market analysis" on the state of leather jackets.

Nice try, but no.

 

[ausreenactor]

Oh puh-lease! This thread was nothing more than a thinly veiled dig at GW - not some "market analysis" on the state of leather jackets.

Nice try, but no.

Your opinion has been noted. If you were less hasty and read the posts all the makers and the whole resale spectrum is mentioned; however, you were never one to make an informed post, just a vapid insulting one. I have sold jackets well below what I thought they would fetch on the Global market of late. Rare jackets in rare sizes. I used to consistently turn a US$140 BR jacket in Japan into an AUD $500 eBay sale; however, the last 37J1 I moved only had the exchange rate to turn a profit. That is the point I have been making for some months. The 'delta' between retail and resale is growing.

 

[ButteMT61]

Trev, don't insult the community here. The thread isn't titled "Leather jacket prices dropping" - it specifies GW. You've tagged on to classifieds threads on TFL and otherwise gone after GW for a long time - pretending to be subtle, and feigning faux insult at the thought of it.
Putting in some other maker's jackets after to appear as though this was the case is transparent.

I've got but one GW, two Aero, one LW and a few other jackets now. I have no allegiance to any brand to the point where I'd pass on a great jacket if made by someone else. But I would pass on a jacket made by someone who has not demonstrated class in regards to their competition.

Do you think that this poor guy has been banned and shunned because of some great conspiracy? I don't think that the competition - with years of customers in the queue need to worry about BK. I know a few of them have actually HELPED BK! So this whole thing is laughable.

23 new "Likes" on Facebook do not equal business success. BK have become the Kardashians of leather jackets.

 

[ausreenactor]

I am the same; however, the two Good Wear jackets I purchased fell short of my expectations. Those two buys and sales have perhaps tainted my opinion. Point taken about the heading when referring to realised prices for jacket sales. You also concede that here and FL are quiet and you would have to concede it is not 'boom times' for all. If and when any 'premium' reproduction falls short of resale expectations, or supports my opinions on reproduction jackets (not just A-2s) I will start a new thread titled as per your description to mitigate the perceptions that I am attacking anybody.

Your reference to a FL post regarding Bill Kelso's lack of imagination in naming the company after a movie character - "Buzz Rickson did the same and they make a killing. Good Wear is a direct take from a WWII maker as well." Is this an attack? Did not even garner a response from those in the thread, as they knew it to be true.

Put your slant on anything anyway you like. I am not insulting anyone. I posted a hyperlink from a sales site. I suggested a trend. I can add other links to support that trend from all makers. And I did after your allegiance, sorry, your input came to the fore. I would doubt you would EVER buy a Bill Kelso jacket, even it were bargain priced and perfectly sized.

And bad press is better than no press at all. I took a look at the GW and DD pages on Facebook to see if the rise in popularity was consistent. Nothing significant on the GW page and the Diamond Flight Co. page is AWOL? Not sure why.

 

[ausreenactor]

BK have become the Kardashians of leather jackets.

They will break the internet!

 

[Vcruiser]

Your reference to a FL post regarding Bill Kelso's lack of imagination in naming the company after a movie character - "Buzz Rickson did the same and they make a killing. Good Wear is a direct take from a WWII maker as well." Is this an attack? Did not even garner a response from those in the thread, as they knew it to be true.

Oh come on..who you trying to BS? I responded several posts later to your comment on the FL with a youtube clip showing the dumbass clown that BK named their company after. It wasn't about BK naming their Co. after just another movie character...but a buffoon just as ridiculous as the BK rep's avatar pic of the 'winning' Charlie Sheen that he proudly displayed here. However it does fit very well with their ludicrous business practices...responses...over the top self adoration above all other jacket makers and flooding any forum they could with the absurd BK jacked up advertising. Either until they were hopefully contained or realized that they should tone down for their own sake..let alone a forums other business. Trouble is...they couldn't/wouldn't. Finally if not out in the open, as they would of liked here, they took their persistence behind the scenes on a more personal note until enough was enough.
BK finally concluded on the FL that their added grandiosity was turning others off there as well..so with that they ,somehow, backed out with members also hoping that they would let the BK jackets and customers speak for themselves. However..they still can't bring themselves to actually do that. Resorting to now comically responding to FL posts on their Facebook page while still coming across as their own worse enemy. It's not that BK jackets aren't deserving of praise...their management style is just (obvious to many) a continuing mess.
It has been obvious too that you have a hard on for JC and GoodWear. I don't know whether that is to deflect the unfavorable commentary (that infuriates you) about BK's overwhelming relentless style..or what.
However JCs rep is pretty solid with most everyone around here (whether you like it or not) and just quite tough to downplay or discredit. Therefore if nice used jacket prices seem flat, I would imagine that most all would meet the same fate.

 

[a2jacketpatches]

:lol: Was just telling my wife who's next here, Happy birthdays and anything BK.

 

[ausreenactor]

Your reference to a FL post regarding Bill Kelso's lack of imagination in naming the company after a movie character - "Buzz Rickson did the same and they make a killing. Good Wear is a direct take from a WWII maker as well." Is this an attack? Did not even garner a response from those in the thread, as they knew it to be true.

Oh come on..who you trying to BS? I responded several posts later to your comment on the FL with a youtube clip showing the dumbass clown that BK named their company after. It wasn't about BK naming their Co. after just another movie character...but a buffoon just as ridiculous as the BK rep's avatar pic of the 'winning' Charlie Sheen that he proudly displayed here. However it does fit very well with their ludicrous business practices...responses...over the top self adoration above all other jacket makers and flooding any forum they could with the absurd BK jacked up advertising. Either until they were hopefully contained or realized that they should tone down for their own sake..let alone a forums other business. Trouble is...they couldn't/wouldn't. Finally if not out in the open, as they would of liked here, they took their persistence behind the scenes on a more personal note until enough was enough.
BK finally concluded on the FL that their added grandiosity was turning others off there as well..so with that they ,somehow, backed out with members also hoping that they would let the BK jackets and customers speak for themselves. However..they still can't bring themselves to actually do that. Resorting to now comically responding to FL posts on their Facebook page while still coming across as their own worse enemy. It's not that BK jackets aren't deserving of praise...their management style is just (obvious to many) a continuing mess.
It has been obvious too that you have a hard on for JC and GoodWear. I don't know whether that is to deflect the unfavorable commentary (that infuriates you) about BK's overwhelming relentless style..or what.
However JCs rep is pretty solid with most everyone around here (whether you like it or not) and just quite tough to downplay or discredit. Therefore if nice used jacket prices seem flat, I would imagine that most all would meet the same fate.

No doubting Good Wear's reputation; however, my hard-ons for GW went limp when they arrived. At least in the case of the two I bought second hand. This would certainly be the exception in the minds of most. I have probably moved 60 jackets since 2008. I sold nearly 40 in 2008/2009. Even some ELCs eclipsed the two GWs I had. Hit up the new owners and see how they like them. I can provide you with the email addresses. One had had three owners before me. One had been moved on twice. Obviously not keepers. You and Scott are the only zealots these days who tend to react with this level of venom/passion or vindictiveness. I would hazard a guess and suggest you have never bought a Bill Kelso jacket' like Scott despite his insistence that he would. Unlike you two I have owned a lot of jackets by all the makers. I only have one repro A-2 these days. It is all I need. There is one RMNZ Dubow out there I wish I had held on to though. It is the only one I would buy back if I found $2000.

Your video was great. Without watching it I realised your reference, which was a repetition on what you had already outlied earlier in the thread. You did not quote my post, nobody did. Perhaps BK was a fan of American Baseball. Or John Belushi's Albanian background struck a chord with the Greek guys. Harrison Ford's riveting performance in Hanover Street could have provided us with David Halloran jackets? But no joy. Buzz Rickson was a dead set nutter, and as I stated in my FL post, they appear to be doing okay with their products. Buzz Rickson also rely on a lot of retro names for their products, as do Good Wear and Real McCoy. And the label maker affords the highest level of homage to the original makers contracts. Buzz Rickson still insist on their names for the majority of jackets though and it can be a deal breaker when looking at a mint B-10 in Japan. There are nearly 30 pages on that FL thread. I put on one post and OMFG the sky is falling!! No conspiracies, just a contrary opinion, as is my want. I am flattered you have taken the time to orchestrate your posts with Scott. Had not seen you in a while.

Couchy

It has been good spending more time over there. Offers a fresh perspective. So many guys that used to be on VLJ are very active on FL. And the Facebook pages appear to be gaining momentum too.



It would appear you consumed a couple of Viagra and your hard on for presenting your tirades has jumped the boundaries of the VLJ and FL too. Scott jumped onto a sales thread as well with a petty jibe.

 

[ausreenactor]

BK have become the Kardashians of leather jackets.

They will break the internet!

Perhaps they have. Can not get on to any pages on the Fedora Lounge! Or maybe Korean hackers... :ugeek:

 

[ButteMT61]

I haven't chatted with Van in ages Couchy. The foil hat is too tight man. :LOL!:

Maybe if JC offered you some of those ultra-hip frog liners in his jackets you'd love 'em too? Would look great with a Hawaiian shirt...

 

[foster]

To direct this back to the original topic, I think the interest for jackets (in the Northern hemisphere anyway) is on the decline as weather is warming up and I am finding I cannot wear my A-2 jackets much anymore until October. When I can't wear the ones I have, it is not easy to get excited about a new acquisition that I can't wear for months.

One could also suggest the resale market is more saturated than a few years ago. The better quality A-2 jackets are still in demand, but the ones in existence remain available for the right person at the right price. When list prices went up by the makers, demand increased for second-hand jackets, but then some prices fell in special sales (Aero, BK) so people started buying those new ones that were a good deal. Then of course there are more jackets out there, in existence. I wouldn't try selling an A-2 on eBay right now, but rather I would wait until October or November as in my opinion the demand really jumps around then. Some of the best deals I have found on second-hand jackets on eBay was in the April-September timeframe. Good for me, bad for the seller. But this is only considering the market in the USA, as postage expenses and duties cause me to not consider purchases from international sellers if it needs to be shipped to me directly. (I will gladly look at jackets when I am in another country where postage is not a concern - I love looking at the Buzz Rickson ones in Japan, but their largest size in Japan is a rarely encountered size 44 and is often just a bit too short for my frame).

I don't know how it works in Australia / New Zealand where the seasons are different, since the weather should be beginning to cool off there and jacket demand should be on the rise.

 

[Vcruiser]

Hey Butte
Check this out.
Seems at one time he was just thrilled with a Goodwear...

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15778&p=147824&hilit=goodwear+perry#p147824

 

[ButteMT61]

Hey Butte
Check this out.
Seems at one time he was just thrilled with a Goodwear...

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15778&p=147824&hilit=goodwear+perry#p147824

Did he actually talk about a jacket in there? Oh yeah, one line - I see it now.
Yeah, maybe seeing all the happy GW owners and watching JC stay above the fray somehow was a disappointment. A jacket made by Manly Men who defend Freedom of Speech are maybe more inline with expectations - you know, guys that don't waste time on f*gg*t customers.

Maybe others just offer up nice discounts. I think Foster has it correct in his post above. The market is flat for various reasons, and it has hit all makers by the looks of it. But buying used in a high-end jacket market is also tough. Who would rather buy a jacket used for $1000 when a little more and some waiting gets a custom jacket? The only way I see that happening today is if the jacket is in superb condition and happens to have the details you want at the time.

The economy is crap, and even guys that used to have a closet full of jackets are now cutting back. And let's not forget that many guys flip jackets like they change underwear around here. It's part of the fun, but at some point I think most of us cut back - if only temporarily.

 

[a2jacketpatches]

Wow Van, October 2013? that's digging pretty far back and deep for a dig at Couchy, how long did that take? I looked around a while myself before I got bored stiff. Is there an actual interest in flight jackets? The patches that decorate them? History on the guys that wore them? Anything to offer like maybe a funny now and then? Any show and tells? Anything at all? Maybe time to balance out all the opinion with something interesting.