M444-M445-ANJ4

Discussion in 'General Flight Jacket Discussion' started by blanik98, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. blanik98

    blanik98 New Member

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    Hi I'd finally like to understand the difference between M444 M445 and ANJ4.
    Is there anyone who kindly willing to explain me please. Thanks in advance. Ciao Mario
     
  2. dadgad

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    The M444 was thinner, longer and with a smallest collar compared to M445 in all its variations, the ANJ4 is the last version of those kind of jackets and has a bigger collar a thicker fleece and is short to the waist.
     
  3. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    The M444 and M445 were purely naval fleece jackets and the ANJ-4 was designed for both the USAAF and the navy. Many of the differences are apparent on John Chapman's Flight Jacket CD.
     
  4. Peter Graham

    Peter Graham Well-Known Member

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    And they'll fall apart if you look sideways at them
     
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  5. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    Absolutely! Not an investment to wear. ;)
     
  6. blanik98

    blanik98 New Member

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    Thanks you very much.
    I'm a collector of Regia Aeronautica militaria: Italian pilots didn't have leather jacket but they put on the legendary Marus jacket or Marus flying suit. If you ever need any help regarding that dont' hesitate to contact me.
    Ciao Mario
     
  7. Silver Surfer

    Silver Surfer Well-Known Member

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    beg to differ. i have a hlb m445a that is not only in rock solid condition, it is every day wearable. no flaking, no fur loss, and the original talon works perfectly. it is a size 40, and fits as such, with overlapping shoulder seams, and it is 24" from collar seam to bottom [back].
     
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  8. blanik98

    blanik98 New Member

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    Thanks you very much for your prompt and comprehensive reply but could you kindly inform me about detailed differences ?
    Thanks Ciao Mario
     
  9. Eastwood

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    Today I talked with one Veteran NAVY. He showed me the winter jacket, which stay with him from the WWII. The jacket is exactly the original. On the label.
    Jacket, Winter, Heavy
    BuAero-U.S.Navy
    specification M-445A
    Fried, Ostermann Co.
    contract NO.NXs 1405 EXT.A
    It is interesting that this jacket is not sheepskin, this a leather jacket, it seemed to me horsehide, but inside lining of a very high-quality ginger color thin shearling. The jacket is very light in weight I think no more than 8 pounds, very soft, warm and comfortable. Design the jacket is absolutely identical sheepskin M-445 A\B jacket model with a short zipper and two buttons. I've never seen anything like this and not heard of such jackets. Did any of you see this one such?
    And he said that later they became sheepskin, but the first were leather and lined shearling.
     
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  10. dujardin

    dujardin Well-Known Member

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    hello Eastwood, don't you think to take photo of this jacket ?????
     
  11. Eastwood

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    I wanted to, but I was shy. But in the photo you will not see anything. Because jacket looks like standard and only by touching, you understand that it's leather and lined shearling, not a sheepskin. The lining of her is made from the same template as the outer leather, that is the main seams on the outer leather and on the lining are in the same places.
    Very interesting jacket. And most importantly, in this jacket solved the problem of collapsing sheepskin and through holes.
    I found on the Internet by photo similar jacket one in one and also written - "Jacket, flying, leather, brown, with shearling lining".
    http://wisvetsmuseum.pastperfectonline.com/webobject/D48716DF-FB52-4C3F-8B58-344981153860
     
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  12. Skip

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    Looks similar but different to my RM M445 Pictures below (this is a retro from Real McCoys, not an original, is it different to yours Silver Surfer?). Mine doesn't have the bottom buttons, do you know if the collar is the same style, it does look larger more like an ANJ4 collar.

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    leather cuff ending rolled back to show the knit stitched into the fleece
     
  13. Eastwood

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    But you have a sheepskin. And I write about leather with lining shearling. Plus pay attention to the lining shearling color, what I saw was the same color as the link.
     
  14. johnwayne

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    Not sure if it's still for sale but John Chapman had an M444 being offered and was/ has been there for some time! Yep, just checked and it's still there - $649!!
     
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  15. Skip

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    Eastwood, understaood that. Just trying to establish differences in more detail apart from the obvious. Its certainly an interesting jacket in which you describe, one in which I haven't seen at all.
     
  16. MikeyB-17

    MikeyB-17 Well-Known Member

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    The M-445's and AN-J-4's were sheepskin but with horsehide reinforcement on the sleeves and a horsehide panel around the bottom edge. Skip's is a different design, but the you can see it on Larson's jacket in the link.
     
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    Ken at Aero Leather Well-Known Member

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  18. Eastwood

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    I do not know about the Larson jacket , I just gave an example similar jacket of the same manufacturer and contract.
    But what I held in my hands I'm sure - it was leather and lining shearling.
     
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  19. John Lever

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    I think it could have been the jacket from a flying suit, these were leather lined with sheepskin.
     

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