M-51/M-65 liner question

Discussion in 'Cloth' started by Peter Graham, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Peter Graham

    Peter Graham Well-Known Member

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    I’m thinking of buying an M-51 field jacket and I’m wondering if my M-65 liner will work with it. Obviously it will fit in but does the M-51 have the same number of buttons as the 65 and will they line up ? Alternatively, does anyone have a small sized M-51 liner lying about that they don’t use ? Cheers folks.
     
  2. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    I've been in the same situation, recently. I purchased a NOS 1952 M-1951 field jacket last spring, size small. Since I've been searching for an M-1951 liner for it in the same size. Fortunately, I've recently been able to M-51 liners for it, with one being near mint. I also have a 1971 M-1965 field jacket and two 1970's M-65 liners.

    Anyhow, this morning I tested the 1975 M-65 liner in the NOS M-1951 jacket and it does work! I hadn't tried before because I'd been told that it didn't work...that the M-65 liner wouldn't fit an M-51 field jacket. Anyhow, I wanted an M-51 liner for the jacket. The only issue, and it's minor or a non-issue, is that the M-51 jacket has two "extra" buttons, on each side, one in the collar area and one at the waist, where the M-65 liner has no buttons holes. Otherwise, the small size liner fits the small size jacket just fine all the way down to the two button in cuff tabs on each sleeve. Again, I used a 1975 dated M-65 liner. I don't think they changed over the years, after 1975, but I really have no idea.

    So, the with the M-65 liner being superior to the M-51 liner as far as warmth and durability go, that's probably your best bet. On top of that, they're availability is far and above that of the M-51 liner, especially in size small. However, if you really want an M-51 liner, I have two extra here in size small. You can have one of those. Both are in solid condition, but one is a bit less used than the other. Both are hole, tear and repair free. The one that is in better condition has a 1952 date. I'd just ask you to pay shipping. God knows how much that would be. I could give you box dimensions and I figure the total weight of the package would be 2 to 2.5 lbs. I'm in NYC.

    - Ian
     
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  3. Peter Graham

    Peter Graham Well-Known Member

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    Ian, thanks for your kind offer. You're a gentleman. I'll take you up on that but hang fire. I have to find a jacket first. Small M-51's are hard to come by in the UK and there was a nice one I was watching on ebay but the zipper was not visible and the seller ignored my question about the condition of the zipper so I let it go. I'll let you know when I find one. Thanks again.
     
  4. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    ^ You’re quite welcome and sure thing, Peter! Just let me know.

    - Ian
     
  5. Gingerale

    Gingerale New Member

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    Hi Ian,

    I possess a June 1952 manufactured M-1951 field jacket in size: Small Regular. I've done an extensive online search for a M-1951 liner in new or good condition, but no luck so far. I've read your posting from October 2017 and I'd be grateful if you could guide me in the right direction to locate this hard-to-find liner.

    Thanks for your help!

    Tom
     
  6. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    Tom,

    The way I found mine was by looking weekly on eBay. I’d search “M-1951 liners” in general and, in militaria, under Korean War, I’d search “liner.” You could also just search “liner” in Militaria. My success came early fall once people began thinking of jackets, again. However, it’s pretty easy to search, at least, once a week. For some reason, they don’t seem to be as common as you’d expect, anymore, but when you do find one in size small, in good to NOS condition, it won’t cost a fortune. As I said, if you don’t find one before the fall, don’t fret as that’s likely to be your best bet.

    - Ian
     
  7. Gingerale

    Gingerale New Member

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    Ian,

    Thanks for your input. I've been searching regularly on ebay and other sites regularly. No luck so far. I'll patiently search until fall as you mentioned.

    By the way, would you know if a Size XS or M liner fits on nicely to a Size S field jacket? I've located XS and M, but not S.

    Many thanks for your help. Greatly appreciated it.
     
  8. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    Tom, that I don’t know. Unless it’s really inexpensive, I wouldn’t try the x-small. I wouldn’t bother with the medium at all, since the size small jacket is already relatively “roomy,” from my point of view.

    Try to be patient and do all three of those searches religiously. I’d be quite surprised if a very nice small liner doesn’t show up by early fall. Right now is a bad time for jackets and any cold weather items, in general. Then again, you might get lucky with someone who is spring cleaning. Also, sometimes you’ll find a small M-1951 listed that has a nice liner. If the jacket isn’t expensive, this may be an avenue toward picking up a nice liner. You may be able to say keep the old jacket, I just want the liner. Or, you’ll have a spare jacket.

    - Ian
     
  9. Gingerale

    Gingerale New Member

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    Ian,

    Thank you for your great insight. Since I've never tried the XS and M in person, it was hard to make an informed decision. I will definitely take your advice and search for the Size S religiously.

    Sorry and I have another question. I found an affordable new M-65 liner in Size S. Specification: MIL-L-43466. Does the year of manufacture of the M-65 liner make a difference in terms of fit for a 1952 M-1951 field jacket? I read about the button small issue on your previous post.

    Thank you so much!

    Tom
     
  10. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    You know, I don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t not think so. Since I don’t believe that button placement ever changed on the inside of the M-65 jacket, any GI issue M-65 liner should work. The one I tried was a 1975 issue.

    - Ian
     
  11. Gingerale

    Gingerale New Member

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    Ian,

    Got it, thank you!

    I'll use the M-65 liner in the interim and find that elusive M-51 liner.

    Best,
    Tom
     
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  12. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Active Member

    Sounds like a good plan, Tom! And, I’d bet you’ll find the proper liner soon enough.

    - Ian
     

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