interesting WW II jacket--wish it could talk

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  1. galvestonokie

    galvestonokie Member

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    Here is an interesting private purchase jacket. A&F, looks like ANJ-3 or?? for me, what makes it most interesting is the name tage "Collins" with Chinese? characters below. wild guess, might be Flying Tigers? type jacket.
    opinions?

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Flight ... 1574359077
     
  2. dmar836

    dmar836 Well-Known Member

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    Not uncommon in the rest of the CBI, not just the AVG. Seen even quite a bit in Korea.
    Dave
     
  3. a2jacketpatches

    a2jacketpatches Active Member

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    Think Dave got it, Korea. I'm a Collins and don't think that's Chinese. I've actually got my name translated so If I can find it I'll confirm.
     
  4. Jason

    Jason Member

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    Interesting indeed. It does look Hangul, I'll ask my daughter, she speaks the language.
     
  5. Dr H

    Dr H Active Member

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    I have a bid on it, based on the style, hadn't considered any other significance of the patch.
     
  6. dmar836

    dmar836 Well-Known Member

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    Interestingly and mentioned here before, the dialects(does that technically include writing?), not to mention the diversity, of the Asian languages in the mid-20th century are often hard to interpret accurately today.
    A friend could only give me an overall idea of one war paint item but thought her mother might get closer. Just said it was "from the old language".
    Just FYI,
    Dave
     
  7. unclegrumpy

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    Do you guys really believe this is a WW II era jacket?

    To me, it looks to be 10 to 20+ years after the war...though that is not based on any specific knowledge of these A & F jackets. The name tag is also done in a style that is typical to the Korean War to the early 1960's...which I think again fits with the rest of it.

    If I were to venture a guess as to the history of this one, I'd either pick it was purchased and worn by Collins after he was out of the service and gained a few pounds or Collins was a civilian in an aviation related job working overseas....probably in some way connected to the military.
     
  8. Brent

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    If Spencer Stewart's Talon Zipper Identification and Dating is correct, that is a 1950's modern Talon.
     
  9. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    This Talon puller dates to the 1950s for sure. However the puller itself could be a later replacement.
     
  10. dmar836

    dmar836 Well-Known Member

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    I dont think it's WWII.
     
  11. Maverickson

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    Hi All,

    Now this his piqued my interest.

    Am I missing something here? I thought I was looking at the same blackened brass Talon zipper assembly on this jacket also found on most late War (AN model) USN jackets.

    Cheers, Dave
     
  12. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    I think you should look again, Dave. ;)
     
  13. Maverickson

    Maverickson Active Member

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    Hi All,

    Contacted the seller and got these pix of the zipper zipper assembly.

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    Unless that isn't a blackened brass marked Talon zipper assembly it sure looks legit to me.

    Cheers, Dave
     
  14. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    I'm still not convinced Dave. The stopper you have shown is typical of those seen on Talon zips in the 1950s. Do you have an enlarged picture of the puller from the front?

    This feature on Talon zippers places the zip on this civi jacket to the 1950s.

    http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthre ... unge-Guide
     
  15. Maverickson

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    Hi All,

    He is another view of that slider

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    Cheers, Dave
     
  16. Maverickson

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    Hi Andrew,

    You mean this one?

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    Cheers, Dave
     
  17. Brent

    Brent Member

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    1950's Modern, at least the puller. ;)
     
  18. billyk

    billyk New Member

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    I'm positive the jacket is from the 1950s as the name tag is in Korean.
     
  19. Maverickson

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    Hi All,

    Just got that seller to come clean with me as to whether or not that zip's female connection point is stamped with TALON or not. This seller seems to have wanted to dance around the subject and or not come completely clean. As for one reason or anther all of his provided images are not completely clear. Even had to ask him twice if TALON is or is not stamped on the female side of that zip. He finally answered me that it is NOT.

    Since that is the case, I cam say emphatically, this jacket dates post WW-2 and there is probably no telling as to exactly when it was made.

    Cheers, Dave
     
  20. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    My guess is that Abercrombie & Fitch, who had sold W&G AN-J3 jackets in the 1940s, commissioned further jackets in the early 1950s as private purchases for USAF pilots during the Korean War. The same basic design was retained and the current civi Talon zips were used.
     

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