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Discussion in 'Vintage' started by Ken at Aero Leather, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    Yes, but are you 100% certain it has not been replaced at some stage in its life? The epaulets could have been replaced by someone else, not the same person who replaced the lining.
     
  2. Ken at Aero Leather

    Ken at Aero Leather Active Member

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    Sadly we don't have the jacket, nor was it one of those stolen from Aero. I started the thread because I thought it might run, this forum is rather short on posts, you must agree.

    All I will say with total confidence is that is a WW2 era jacket which has been relined, whether it was originally a private purchase or an issue jacket I couldn't say for sure, I've never considered my self an "expert" on military garments but I probably do understand leather jacket construction better than anyone of this forum, sewing has been my trade for over 50 years
     
  3. Ken at Aero Leather

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    It's starting to sound like Trigger's Broom
     
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  4. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    That is the idea Ken! Hahaha!
     
  5. Ken at Aero Leather

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    Fot those outside The UK
     
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    Before the debate I did think Spiewak, purely by the pointed collar and I'm not as knowledgeable as you fine chaps but that aside it was a lot of $'s for its condition!!
     
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  7. Ken at Aero Leather

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    The waters are / were further muddied by USAAF contractors making civvy / private purchase A-2 jackets
    Kurlands civvy A-2 has differences from the Star Sportswear issue A-2, same firm
    Aero Leather's are quite different from any of their issue A-2, we've had several, there is one in the showroom as I write, based on the Aero USAAF jackets, I doubt if I'd have ID'ed any of their Civvy jackets as being an Aero were it not for their civvy labels

    If anyone is aware of other examples of other USAAF contractors also making civvy / private purchase A-2 jackets please let us know
     
  8. johnwayne

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    I found the name of the site amusing, is it Australian? Couldn't see anything to tell me but Weareskoalas! Some good links on it too. Good discussion Ken, as you said not too many of them here of late.
     
  9. Roughwear

    Roughwear Well-Known Member

    Doniger made a civi version of their issued A-2. The knits, snaps and zipper are different from the ones found on their issued A-2s.

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  10. Ken at Aero Leather

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    ..........any idea who made Bloomingdale's A-2s, way back in The Thrift Shop days we had a couple of CBI jackets with provenance pass through our hands with Bloomingdale's labels, USAAF Spec detailling.
    Haven't seen one since
     
  11. Ken at Aero Leather

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    Not sure where they are based, we came across the site while researching a new Barnstormer last year

    http://wearekoalasvintage.com/2015/02/sold-on-ebay-antique-1930s-horsehide-leather-car-coat/

    The internal styling clues are obvious on our adapted version

    http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/product-detail.php?id=3139
     
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  12. Steve27752

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    Bloody nice coat that Ken, black or brown! Trouble is everyone drives everywhere these days am I'm no different so personally it wouldn't get much wear like a leather pea coat I have! Same reason I've never got into shearlings even though I'd love one of your B3's!! Ultimately I've got too many jackets, or so I'm told by 'er indoors!!!
     
  15. Juanito

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    I've heard of L&T A-2s, but not seen one, to the best of my knowledge they were a minor player in the 80s/90s not period manufacturers so I'd forget them, that's a red herring, this is a WW2 era jacket.
    So who made it?[/QUOTE]

    Here's a little info on the L&T labeled jackets: http://www.smwholesaleusa.com/a-2-aviator-jacket-story
     
  16. Ken at Aero Leather

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    It takes about 20 years of hard wear to get our Brown Horsehide to look like that!!
    The coat was designed backwards, first we found the lining, then designed the label to suit the lining, decided on the Blizzard name to suit the first mock up of the label artwork and what we envisaged the coat might look like, by that time the components had talked us into the Shearling collar.
    The first sample of a new lighter version with leather collar is currently half finished on Julie's machine.
     
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  17. fleet16b

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    http://www.vintageleatherjackets.org/threads/2004-eastman-rw1401p.20240/

    If you look on my thread , you can see what happens to an A2 that has been used in cramped Vintage aircraft cockpits. The wear and tear on my jacket is just as you describe . The finish is gone on the arms and is you look carefully you can see the pattern on the center of the back were the shoulder harness junctions have left their marks . My jacket has a lot of flight hours on it
     
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  18. Smithy

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    Your jacket looks fantastic fleet16b and the patina on yours is the genuine article. Keep wearing it whilst flying!
     
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  19. Roughwear

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    I agree with Tim here. It is one beautiful ELC Roughwear which could be mistaken for an original.
     
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  20. Dr H

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    I owned that one for a while - lovely Doniger/McGregor Sportswear...
     

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