Buttoned Pocket Flaps A-2 Jackets

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  1. Skyhawk

    Skyhawk Well-Known Member

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    Ok. Goldsmith used this tag on their jerseys in the 1930's
    Goldsmith-Label-3.jpg

    I have a great mock up of this being printed right now!
    :D
     
  2. Skyhawk

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    My design will use the same set up as SAT, with the spec tag and size above, and the company logo tag below.

    One difference will be the spec tag & Size tab will be white on black. Closer to the A-1.
     
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  3. 33-1729

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    The Goldsmith trade mark "cross" was changed to a name design (post #181 above) in 1933 or after the 31-1897 contract was produced.
     
  4. Skyhawk

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    I believe that was when they added McGregor as well so this would be a bit earlier to my knowledge. If I am wrong I would like to see the documentation.
     
  5. 2BM2K

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    Been searching Ebay for Goldsmith baseball uniform labels, found two.

    First one advertised as 1920's;

    goldsmith.jpg

    Second one date unknown;

    goldsmith2.jpg
     
  6. Skyhawk

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    It appears you may be correct! I was just re-reading some info on Baseballs, not Jerseys.

    It says
    Goldsmith-Label-7.jpg
    "This logo has been identified in a 1938 Goldsmith catalog and still shows up in 1944 overlapping the following logo. The Trademark Goldsmith Logo cross is removed perhaps because of its resemblance to the German black cross at the onset of WWII. The Logo still sits at the top panel now has a bold "GoldSmith" in lower case letters using capital letters for the "G" & "S" The letters "old" & "mith"

    The same probably holds true for the uniforms. I just skimmed this info previously because it was about baseballs not clothing.

    Thanks for the insight! So the Company Label will be this which is period correct to my knowledge unless more info surfaces:
    Goldsmith-Label-6.jpg

    Regards,
    Jay
     
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  7. 33-1729

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    It's great to see someone taking on the difficult task of recreating a 31-1897 Goldsmith Sons Co. A-2. Bravo!

    The information people have found and put forth on the previously unknown A-2 contracts makes this thread the definitive reference source on the buttoned pocket flap jackets. Can't wait to see what others find to post and looking forward to Mr. Eastman's next book. ;)
     
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  8. 33-1729

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    Have been digging a bit and think the baseball logo in post #186 is likely it. I found some pre-1933 Goldsmith Sons baseball uniform tags and one is attached below.

    GoldSmithb.JPG

    The came in a number of color schemes, so if I can find out which I'll post that too.

    http://www.antiquesportscollector.com/TagsMain.html
     
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  9. Geeboo

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    an early 30's to mid 30's civilian aviator zipper jacket from Spalding - also a sports jacket mfyer. nothing special - I am still of the guess the knits seem to be single ply from this jacket & a few earlier A2 photos for these buttoned aj.jpg aj1.jpg aj2.jpg flap A2.
    of course we would never know unless an original is found.
     
  10. Skyhawk

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    Yes I believe that is the label we are looking for, Good work!

    The layout and wording match what they were using from 1928 -1932. They had other slogans present on the other similar labels. But those labels were before and after this particular label. So I think we have narrowed it down.

    I caught the label maker just in time and switched over to this design in Black on white. Now I think we're on the right track:
    Goldsmith-Label-10.jpg

    The Baseball from the same time period gives a better look at the logo. Near identical just doesn't have Ohio spelled out.
    Goldsmith-Label-6.jpg

    Regards,
    Jay
     
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  11. B-Man2

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    This thread is amazing.
    Its like watching a historical documentary film being put together prior to its release to the public.
    Of course there is no film, but the release of the new jacket will be the substitute for the film.
    Pretty Damn Cool Guys!
     
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  12. 2BM2K

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    I am not convinced by the Iron Cross logo.

    This is going into a flight jacket, many of the senior officers fought planes painted with crosses.
    It is feasible that a new logo was designed for the jacket.

    Or maybe it was the reason Goldsmith never got another contract.
     
  13. Ken at Aero Leather

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    With all respect, Dave, I've been at this game for a very long time.
    Tab Collar, invented circa 1924 by Prince of Wales, later to become Edward VIII.
    As some are aware Aero have been replicating Eddie's clothing for several years so we do know our subject.
    https://therake.com/edward-sexton-sky-blue-tab-collar-shirt.html
    https://www.stylight.co.uk/Tab-Collar-Shirts/
    Tab Collar Shirt The Rake Magazine.jpg Tab Collar Shirt The Rake Magazine.jpg
     
  14. Ken at Aero Leather

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    I do hope this isn't a thinly disguised dig at Aero
    I also hope I'm not suffering from paranoia
     
  15. Ken at Aero Leather

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    The Sleeve top stitch on this one goes on top of the epaulette, usual A-2 style, on Arnold's it goes under the epaulette (Bike Style)
    As someone else pointed out in this thread (excuse me for forgetting who) that a new factory making a new design will often find little variations popping up from one to another on the earliest jackets (With a total of only 25 they'd all be "early" versions.
    Or this photo isn't the same maker??????????????
     
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    Definitely paranoia.
    Mind you I think the whole world’s against me - I just don’t know what that’s called though
     
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  17. Dr H

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    It's called the human condition Alan...
     
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  18. Geeboo

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    20180704_172240.jpg "The Sleeve top stitch on this one goes on top of the epaulette, usual A-2 style, on Arnold's it goes under the epaulette (Bike Style)"
    Ken: Is that what you mean
    1) the cross stitch sewn through in Biker & in Goldsmith A2 20180704_171258.jpg whereas normal A2 are not sewn through ? OR
    2) as attached
    How can you see this from just a distant, blur photo ?
     
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  19. Ken at Aero Leather

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    J106.jpg
    In the blow up on post #173, it's fairly clear

    What I meant by "Bike Jacket" sleeve top stitch going under the Epaulette is a clear above.
    I'm assuming and the way the epaulette on Hap's jacket sits that there must be some kind of "X" stitch somewhere close to the shoulder, and logically at the neck end too

    Of course it would lay far flatter on an A-2 than in the heavy Chromexcel in the pic
     
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  20. Skyhawk

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    Happy 4th Y'all!

    Update: First Mockup - Looking pretty good. A few tweaks and we will be perfect!
    Goldsmith-Label-mockup-water.jpg
     
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