the rarest usn jacket! seabees

[M. from Berlin]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW11-SEABEESUSN-DECKJACKET-ALL-ORIG-EXC-COND-LABEL-TALON-ZIP-NO-HOOD-TAG-SZ-44-/122522989564?hash=item1c86f073fc:g:kScAAOSwYvFZIDy8

 

[Bombing IP]

Ridiculous

BIP

 

[Silver Surfer]

rare? naw, over cooked.

 

[dmar836]

LOL. Where's the incredibly long Wikipedia cut and paste about the formations and complete history of the Seabees?

 

[asiamiles]

Does anyone think the label really means it was made for the Seabees, or is it a commercial jacket given that name as selling tag?

I don't recall seeing an original Deck Jacket with that lining before, only the Japanese repros of them.

 

[unclegrumpy]

It is a commercial jacket just like all the postwar commercial "B-15" jackets. This is a jacket that some company picked a name that they hoped would help sell their jackets.

The Navy would not have marked a jacket "Seabees". On top of that, Seabees is the nickname for CBs...or Construction Battalion...which is what this type of unit was actually called. Granted the units had patches and insignia that said Seabees on it, but that does not mean they still were not officially Naval Construction Battalions.

 

[asiamiles]

It is a commercial jacket just like all the postwar commercial "B-15" jackets.

The expected answer. Indeed, did the Navy ever actually issue a Deck Jacket with such a lining? Are the Japanese jackets actually repros of wartime or post-war commercial jackets?

 

[unclegrumpy]

I don't know enough about Japanese reproductions to say.

 

[M. from Berlin]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-1930-03...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

here ist another Sigmund Eisner SeaBees label trouser. I do not think this is a fake!Looks not jpanese reproduction! The label looks like late 30s! What do you mean?

 

[unclegrumpy]

https://www.realmccoyslondon.com/us/the-real-mccoys-seabees-deck-jacket.html

 

[M. from Berlin]

I know this reproduction, but the Eisner label looks very old!

 

[unclegrumpy]

This is not an area I know enough to say for sure, but believe there was also a commercial "Seabees" brand in the 1950's. I do know the Navy did not typically mark their labels like this.

 

[M. from Berlin]

But the trousers have the lacquered zipper, just like the 40s overalls or M 421 jackets! I dont know! ;-)

 

[dmar836]

I sure hope we are not debating whether this is authentic WWII stuff.

 

[Bombing IP]

15 replies on the merits of a fantasy jacket ,Unbelievable ! . You post a solid interest on something you should get replies and nothing . This Real McCoy stuff is altered to suit the market its made for and does not represent the actual .In my opinion there are much better companies out there for 70% less money who supply jackets in sizes bigger than size 44" chest .
BIP

 

[M. from Berlin]

Now the treat is also called: Discussion in 'eBay / Auction Talk. Have we done something wrong here?

 

[Bombing IP]

No you have done nothing wrong ,its my opinion that the interest in a jacket that never existed gets so much attention .
BIP

 

[Bombing IP]

It would be fair to say that this Jacket is rarer than rocking horse shit .

BIP

 

[unclegrumpy]

An aspect of this thread that I think some are missing, is the difficulty for new collectors, especially ones that are not english language based, to sort some of this stuff out. Our years of experience also come into play as well, both with originals and reproductions, and studying the history. Many of us automatically know something is not what it seems to be, but explaining why, beyond saying..."it's a piece of crap" is not always that easy.

Not trying to toss a stone in anyone's direction, just pointing out that I think Berlin is only trying to learn something, and while he may be currently stuck on the wrong pathway, he at least has his thinking cap on, which is more than can be said for many new collectors.

 

[bayrumblues]

Just wanted to chime in here, and resurrect this old thread.

Been collecting rare military stuff for a long time and it always annoys me when someone says something is "fake, civilian, or fantasy" with authority, just because they have never seen it, or it is extremely rare.

This SEABEES deck jacket is absolutely real, it was issued and used by the SEABEES in both Alaska and Iceland during WW2, and although they are unbelievably rare (especially with the hood intact) they are not a "fantasy" item, nor are they post-war civilian made.

I've attached some photos from my archives of them being used. Let this end the debate (as I have seen this debate on a number of different sites/ forums/ social media pages over the last few years and there is so much misinformation out there/ a lack of information). Just wanted to set the record straight.

P.S. I also have matching trousers and coveralls (khaki poplin lined with alpaca pile wool) with the same unusual SEABEES tag. Sigmund Eisner was a pretty well known military contractor and made a number of garments for the US military during the war.

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